To say “we have trump because of you”… trump is trying to create an apocalypse on earth and kamala is the villain.
What’s your issue? Nothing about the statement is inaccurate. Though it is missing a lot of context, such as it was Clinton who ordered the pied piper strategy to elevate Trump to the nomination, so she shares a lot of the blame.
I always thought AIPAC bribes were kinda cheap, but then when you compare it to other lobbying groups and even bribes for spies, that’s just an excellent deal on Israel’s part.
They can literally buy almost any politician, and they’ll defend Israel to the death even after the stakes have dropped to zero. She’s not running for 2028, has practically nothing to lose except money, but still defends probably one of the worst Democratic campaigns for decades.
The worst part about aipac is that were fucking funding it.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign. (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should have been that way or not, IMO that was the death blow)
Yeah, she was going to become a war criminal, but the voters let her down.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign.
iirc her campaign said “the Biden people” demanded she say that.
Then it wasn’t her campaign.
That was “the Biden people”’s point, yeah.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
The POTUS didn’t dictate her positions during the campaign. Stop making excuses just because she supported genocide for you.
WE HAVE ACTUAL RIGHT WING WAR CRIMINALS DOING WAR CRIMES RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, PLEASE YELL AT THE ONE PERSON WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY FUCKALL TO DO WITH IT AFTER ALL OF YOU TOLD HER THE CURRENT WAR CRIMINALS WILL DO A BETTER JOB.
If I have to read one more fucking idiot say how it was better to abstain from voting or vote 3rd party than vote Harris because the Biden admin supported Israel I am going to lose my mind.
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick and simultaneously doing way worse heinous shit here at home than a Harris admin ever would do. Fuck not just at home, overseas too, pretty sure she wouldn’t have had USAID dismantled and condemned millions to starvation.
But sure hope you feel great about not voting for Harris so we could get someone objectively worse on all fronts, including the Israel / Palestine conflict.
I highly doubt Kamala would be using $100k missiles to kill venezuelan fisherman.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries. Or, so I am reliably informed here. Regularly. Like, constantly.
It’s neat how it was either vote for not-trump or get trump, and so many haters loved them some trump.
You’re fine with trading the lives of innocent palestinians to maintain your own comfort and security, you deserve Trump and worse
Trump was far worse for Palestine though. So much worse.
Here’s an article about a 38 page plan for a new gaza-flavored trail of tears so they can turn the Gaza strip into a resort.
Is this what you non-voted for? I ask because this or something just as bad is going to happen to those people.
How about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaza_war_deaths_by_month.png
Why did the deaths start going up dramatically again in 2025?! WEIRD RIGHT? I WONDER WHAT FUCKING CHANGED. ITS ALMOST LIKE THE PEOPLE PULLING THE TRIGGER NO LONGER HAD ANYONE WITH THE POWER TO AFFECT CHANGE PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM TO STOP
I wish these relevant sourced arguments could bring some around, but they won’t in large part because many of these comments are not American voters and just want to vent.
Just like we did when we were kids. Except we live here and we vote.
I was raised republican and you would be even more surprised how completely ineffective this would have been on me in the past. The people that continue to vote republican are so much dumber than you realize. Like find a source that disagrees with them, so they go find new source type dumb.
Who said anyone was fine with it? Harris and even Biden were working on negotiating to get a peace deal in place. Biden was definitely pro-Israel which I think was part of the problem.
I believe Harris would have reigned in Israel quite a lot and would have had the US step in as mediators if they didn’t commit to the peace agreement. Instead since Harris lost, Israel was allowed to pretty do whatever they wanted and are pretty much still doing what they want.
Who do you think wanted to create friction for voters so that some of them would sit out and open up a situation like this? Bad actors. The peace deal was getting pushed back again and again because the people in power saw this as the perfect wedge issue to divide left leaning people.
Lol, no, I’m certainly not. I do what I can within my limited means although I’m sure I could do more. Sadly, just by virtue of voting, I’ve done more than the majority of my countrymen but I certainly am no paragon of virtue.
I am a realist though. Realistically the Palestinian people would have been better off, or at the least not worse off, with a Harris administration at the helm.
Regardless, the diplomacy would have been carried out by the statesmen in the background if she was in office or Trump - Trump just comes with massive baggage.
“Realistically I had no choice but to be a morally bankrupt coward” lol fuck off
Geez, calling me a morally bankrupt coward is just a tad bit mean, don’t ya know? Also doesn’t really address the actual real world we’re in where we are voting on an office which is making decisions that go far beyond only the tiny part of the world that is Israel/Palestine.
Like I don’t know how naive and narrow minded one has to be to think a world with Trump in charge of the USA is better than the alternative.
Like, obviously, if I could waive a magic wand I’d change a whole fuckpile of stuff about our government and our system of living as a whole. Unfortunately, presumably, much like yourself, I’m not magic.
A lot of our friends here have only a mass-media understanding of American politics. And given that mass media is utterly terrible, it’s . . . a crooked understanding.
I don’t owe civility to anyone making excuses for the fucking democrats, nothing about the “real world” requires you to accept their complicity in genocide you decided to do that shit on your own
Lol you’re such a silly goose.
You’re fine with trading the lives of innocent palestinians to maintain your own comfort and security
Be fair. Centrists were willing to sacrifice everyone’s comfort and stability as long as they didn’t have to tell netanyahu no.
Lol you’re not wrong
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
You.
Nah, Netanyahu makes me ashamed of my Jewish heritage, the whole state of Israel and what it has been doing really does tbh. They’re probably literally making people antisemitic since they try to conflate that with being anti Israel even though it’s squarely separate.
Would be like saying people criticizing the USA are anti Christian or something along those lines.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Him too. But he’s not on this thread being a simp for netanyahu. You are.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost. Part of the reason Harris lost was people not voting for the Dem candidate and actively helping a person who has an even worse track record on Israeli-Palestinian relations win the office of the president.
It makes no sense. It’s like not voting to have a golf ball put up your ass so the pineapple can get shoved up there instead.
It’s crazy to think this all could have been avoided if Biden just kept his word and let us have an actual primary where Kamala predicably would have lost early on.
Instead we got a half assed bait and switch for the worst polling candidate possible. I swear she was picked because she was the cheapest corpo money could buy.
The DNC needs to be dissolved because they keep picking loser corporate stooges that nobody likes in the belief that they can just AstroTurf and gaslight their way to popularity.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget the fact that the only one that was legally entitled to any of the money raised for Biden’s campaign, over like 3 years of fundraising, was Kamala because she was on the ticket.
Restarting the fundraising process from scratch, after even just a 14-21 day primary process that would somehow also be built out of nowhere, would have meant whoever secured any nomination would have easily been outspent by a mile. They would have had no funds to even campaign on. It probably would have locked all the money that was already donated up too, considering that it would take quite some time to refund all of that money; figure out who was owed what exactly based on what hadnt been spent yet, etc…
Like what the fuck else did anyone expect to reasonably happen? It was stupid for Biden to ever say they could even have had a primary. The real promise he should have stuck to was when he claimed he would only be a one term president years beforehand
If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
She was fairly qualified given that she was VP.
I feel that Harris was more left leaning that most people say, but she was playing the election too safe by not trying to promise a stronger platform. She was hedging her bets and was preparing to not have a supermajority in the Senate. In doing so though, her messaging was underwhelming.
If she overpromised and won, then she would have looked exactly the same as Biden. Where nothing meaningful could get passed federally due to being short on votes.
If she underpromised and somehow won big, then the Democrats would have looked great going into 2026 and 2028.
Instead, she underpromised and underperformed, the House, Senate, and White House were lost as a result.
I agree that sticking with a message people can believe in does matter, and it’s why Bernie Sanders is having success even in rural West Virginia in the current year. The progressive platform is popular when people hear about it, so we need an elected leader that believes in the progressive message they are selling.
Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
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None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
Your question isn’t relevant to what actually happened because it’s an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
You unconditionally support a genocide for just two years and suddenly you’re a “war criminal.” So much for the tolerant left.
Just two years? How long has she been in politics? It’s much longer than that.
How much power do you think VPOTUS has over Israeli policy?
She had complete control over her own campaign platform, where she chose to be in lockstep with Biden.
This. It’s up to the politician to build a platform that gets as many votes as possible. The DNC and Harris choose to ignore their base, shout down the Muslim vote, and took more money from special interests groups than Republicans.
I wouldn’t say that, she was beholden to the party donors that would have stopped sending money to all of the corporate Dems if she had a different stance. Biden also wasn’t going to let her distance herself on any of his stances. It was a lose-lose situation from a messaging perspective.
The more ethical choice would have been to have stop taking the big donor money and to have distanced herself from Biden’s stance, but likely still would have lost by doing that given she was trying to over the average swing state voter.
Personally, I think looking forward, that the corporate Dems that are taking money from pro-Israel PACs should be told they can either keeping taking those donations and be primaried, or they can stop and they will have the support of the voters. Ideally we want progressives but convincing the the corporate Dems to not put money first does matter.
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Enough that AIPAC gave her over 9 million dollars so far lol
That doesn’t suggest she has power.
I don’t have power. Where’s my AIPAC check?
Lol goddamn you’re dumb, AIPAC isn’t a charity
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Stop living in the American ethos bubble by only comparing her and others to the politicians within our borders. Relative to what the world considers Left and Right to be, she and Biden are Right wing.
She was a world leader. She must be measured as such.
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So we should judge her by European standards which you are calling “the world’s standard”? The left= anti-capitalist is very much a European perspective.
Let’s not continue to mistake Europe and European views for “The World” because that is historically problematic. Much of the world is still trying to figure out what rights people have from/by their governments.
No, you mushroom. I stated the parameters. You’re just too myopic to see beyond your own nose. Kamala is right of center, even in the USA. She’s not “left wing.” She’s left of Trump. I don’t see a single reference to Europe in my first comment.
She is definitely a right wing politician by western standards. And shes at least a funder of war crimes.
I mean what do you call someone who supports right wing policies and does war crimes then?
Right wing by whose standards? There are a lot of Euro-centric folks who forget anti-capitalist= leftist is NOT universal.
Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy.
I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms.
At a certain point it’s not even worth arguing with these people. They’ve been sold propaganda by American liberals and conservatives for so long that they cannot get it out of their head. They bought it hook line and sinker. They’ve been sitting there while the Overton Windows being shifted and they’ve been going along with it happily.
Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay.
I understand that all of your claims are Euro-centric and that’s a problem.
There are definitions of right and left and they are relative to the society in question. Anyone trying to force a universal definition will quickly fond their definitions wanting.
For the USA Harris is center left. In KSA Harris would be extreme far left for suggesting that there should be rights for women and no king. These definitions are relative.
I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why.
The fact you aren’t European is immaterial as your claim is Euro-centric. Anti-capitalism = left is not universal to all nations. In DPRK suggesting there not be a hereditary dictatorship but rather a parliamentary system would be insanely far left yet that’s standard for most nations.
Not all nations are in the same place for development and it is a colossal mistake to label what is true for Europe as being true for all given the history of evil rooted in Eurocentric perspectives.
Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life.
By the world’s standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart.
There is no “ world’s standard” there IS a EUROPEAN standard but we should never mistake European views for the world as the jerks with that Euro-centric perspective are behind most of the genocide and colonization in history.
Go troll elsewhere, you milk stain.
They think the dems need to move even further right so probably a good leader?
How did Harris “do war crimes”? Did she give orders to the IDF? Is she a member of the Israeli government?
It took a while before the international community sort of acknowledged this war was a genocide. Israel always has been great at playing the victim, and has always been under the protection of the US. In this context, the US government under Biden provided support, as it often does. Many other states did, and still do.
My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit. Is everyone a war criminal now? Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?
My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit.
Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they’ll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one.
Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?
First, Harris is not part of “the left.” Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can’t even do that much is less than worthless; they’re a liability.
First, Harris is not part of “the left.”
Never said she was, but I am, maybe you are, as well as a lot of people in this thread who keep insulting each other.
See how this works?
how?
SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal.
People are making this black and white when it is very much not. It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas. During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration. The VP has very little actual power to enact change.
People are making this black and white when it is very much not.
You’ll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love.
During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration.
Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS.
no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok?
Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don’t you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn’t have sny right to self defence
It sounds so simple, it must really be simple.
It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support.
Simple or not is beside the point anyway
You sound so simple.
KHAMAAS!!!
Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won’t stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties.
Look at you being reasonable with a nuanced take! Don’t you know that makes you a . . . hangon . . *checks notes* . . Ah, yes - a “bootlicking piece of shit”?
Don’t you know where you are?!? You’re in the lefty jungle, baby! You’re gonna (metaphorically) diiieeeeeee!
In the jungle! Welcome to the lefty jungle! . . . You’re tha - B-b-b-b-b Bourgeoise! HUAGH!
No but srs you make a good point and will be downvoted accordingly. No one will admit Harris was a better candidate than trump. As you see in the video, She, not these arrogant choads, caused trump to win, per the admonition that no one can blame the voters for not voting.
Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that.
Which is why you’re working with a national party that has a real chance of affecting change in America!
Um, which party was that, again?
I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world.
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I’m not American
Yeah. Maybe let people who know what they’re talking about - talk. Then.
American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far.
Keep gloating that your only policy is supported by both parties.
Anybody who don’t resign from a government complicit in genocide is a war criminal
Is my buddy a war criminal because he didn’t give up his job with the Postal Service?
Your buddy did not promise unconditional support for Israel the settler colonial power oppressing and stealing Palestinians land for half a century and billions of military budget to Israel.
You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments
“Anybody who don’t resign from a government complicit in genocide is a war criminal”
“You guys are so dumb with your brainless arguments”
Im 100% positive that no one is dumber than the claims you have made back to back.
Nobody dumber than politician dick suckers like you
Post office delivery drivers are not government officials, dumbass
Trump, and these people helped get him elected.
Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating.
Liberals didn’t protest the alternative to Trump. That was leftists.
Which is another way of saying liberals are pro genocide, or at least okay with it. I’m not, never will be. This is YOUR fault for having zero principles and not demanding the bare minimum from your politicians.
Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They’re sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don’t have to pass what they ran on. But they’ll bend over backwards to support genocide.
Harris being bad about economy made her lost
You’re saying leftists helped Trump win because they think his economy is better.
People from all races and classes was fooled by Trump thanks to the terrible job Harris did in her campaign
If progressives knew how to run a campaign they would be able to win elections.
Progressives lose so consistently that they have to depend on the DNC to even have a voice because there are so few of them.
Progressives can’t even win against AIPAC funded candidates but they will insist that the DNC follow their same losing campaign strategies.
If progressives knew how to run a campaign they would be able to win elections.
If the genocide-and-nothing-else wing knew how to run a campaign, we wouldn’t have trump right now.
The candidate against Trump was Harris a democrat so I don’t know why you talk about the progressives. Harris had a chance to win if she had a good compaign focusing on the economy so it is ok to critisize her. If the candidate running against Trump was a progressives and had a terrible compaign I would have the same critisim because i am not a cultist like you or the member of the republican cult
If the leftists you hate because and only because they don’t want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris’ chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party.
If she bursts out in laughter rejecting the notion of her having a socialist or progressive perspective; she probably isn’t a leftist, left-leaning, or “center-left”.
Are you an American? It’s relevant to your point.
Yes, yes, Anyone who doesn’t agree with centrists and their support of genocide and absolutely nothing else ever must be a scary foreigner. It explains why you support republican border policy. Don’t want those anti-genocide furriners getting in and giving americans the idea that genocide isn’t the only good in this world.
On of the things that allowed Trump to become president is the division among those who were against him.
She and Biden were right wing war criminal though. Why is it crazy to acknowledge the truth? Because lying and pretending we can be friends with right-wing war criminals might help elect a right-wing war criminal that’s not as insane as the right-wing war criminal that ended up getting elected?
Kamala and Biden said they don’t care about voters who they’ve alienated by committing genocide. They knowingly caused such division, so they’re all to blame for that. Trump being elected can fairly be blamed on them.
she definitely is both right wing and a war criminal. she supported genocide… isn’t much more obvious than that…
centrists want to keep supporting genocide without being called the only thing they have ever been.
Harris is far from being a leftist, but calling her a right wing war criminal is crazy.
She supported genocide exactly like you’re doing here.
She wasn’t a rightwing war criminal because she didn’t have real power yet, but she was definitely an aspiring rightwing war criminal. Surprise surprise, materially supporting genocide is a war crime.
She did exercise power and influence. She herself confirmed she was actively involved in these decisions.
And as Biden’s border czar, she deported so many people that even Stephen Miller is struggling to keep pace with her numbers.
She should have resigned but no she accepted a poaition of complicity
Yeah but things are so much better for palestine under trump. larger munitions are essentially the same, not getting aid as the same as not getting enough. formal annexation of their land is the same as the status quo. This international relations equal war crime is so annoying.
So you agree that both supports genocide. Most people would not defend trump here
nope.
Ok genocide supporter. You just mad that it is Trump who is continuing the grnocide instead of Harris. Anybody in position of power should be persecuted for genocide support including Trump
No.
Cultists like you are going to act like cultists
The munitions are the same size, and the starvation started under Biden. You’re just so brainwashed, it seems to have affected your senses.
One error. It wont be “four years of trump”, because either he dies earlier or he lives long enough to start his third term.
because either he dies earlier…
There is not one single thing about this world that makes me think we’re lucky enough for that. I’m fully convinced we’re heading for Trump 20XX… :/
How many scummy person dies so late?
the good die young.
Or the end of the free democratic election system in the US.
From now on, every “election” will be a shit show that will push through idiot leaders that the people don’t want.
I mean, that’s been the past three presidential elections anyway.
Thats what the “third term” implies. The end of democracy in the US is a prerequisite for that.
Apparently is so funny for Kamala that Hind Rajab was shot
First off, I want to be clear that I’m not making excuses for Kamala. This is more of a tangent, but people should know that even though it seems weird, smiling is a natural stress response for some folks.
The instance that is seared into my memory is when I got the phone call that there was an earthquake in the country where my sibling was staying and we hadn’t yet heard from her (she ended up being ok). No matter how tried to fight it, my face couldn’t help but twist into a grin. It kinda fucked me up. Like: “What is my body trying to tell me?” “Do I subconsciously want them to die?” It was only years later that I found out that this is normal. Looking back, I think it especially sucks for kids who can’t help it, can’t explain it, and get the “Do you think this is funny!” treatment.
Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.
No, this is definitely the smile of i do not take you seriously. Kamala is paid by aipac and promised to continue giving billions to maintain settler colonialism
All her jobs required stress management you can’t convince me that she is stressed for a random perdon screaming at her. This is definitely not similar to someone panicing because of an earthquake
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Why are you deflecting we are talking about Harris here. If she can’t handle people she shouldn’t do public event.
You just an Harris worshiper
I dothat, so I hear you. But her grin seems pretty relaxed, if not smug
Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.
She supports genocide. She gets no benefit of the doubt. She was smiling because she was trying to contain laughter.
The smug look on her face just makes me want her to die.
Part of why she lost.
I hope the cultists won’t come here defending her
Your hopes were in vain. The pro-genocide brigade is here.
They was already there since 48
Nope. Just the cultists supporting republiQans.
Dems are cultists, republicans are too.
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Why are so many comments being removed?
Because they don’t want people rightfully calling out progressive purity testing that led to a fascist dictator getting elected who will murder me and my family 🏳️🌈
Edit: One of the kind ‘progressives’ in this thread just told me “I hope you’re hunted for sport” 🙃
Purity testing is a good thing if you have standards, you’re only mad because you know you won’t pass
It’s a bad thing if everyone has different criteria for “purity”.
“Sure, it’s great this guy is anti-genocide, but he once voted to restrict abortion rights”.
The criteria is “don’t support a fucking genocide” and clearly enough people agree on it that it cost her the fucking election, either that or we’re a minority with no impact in which case it’s not our fault dems lost anyway lol
Let’s hope your future memories of all your LGBT and non-white “friends” dying in the American Holocaust don’t keep you up at night pal
Don’t hide behind vulnerable minorities like your wing of the party doesn’t throw them under the bus every chance it gets.
Lol I’m trans dumbass, you don’t get to use my own identity and oppression to guilt me into voting for your dogshit party
Oh yeah, the modlog for this community is wild and there’s only one mod. This is not the content I’d expect for progressives. Seems more like a wedge to shit on both sides.
The single mod is also a pretty shitty mod.
Because we’re being brigaded by genocide supporters.
Because you’re fucking morons that saddled us with trump because it’s cool to not do a FUCKING THING besides on bitch in the internet.
What value do you bring? What do you do around here with all your progressive power? At least trumpers might argue they are being tricked. You know what’s coming and let us all get pushed into the grinder anyway.
Shut the fuck up. Any trans, hispanic, or other people getting blamed and rounded up ought to be ashamed of you.
Easiest pre block user ever. You have nothing to contribute, not even a vote.
Because you’re fucking morons that saddled us with trump
Your wing of the party is so devoted to netanyahu they preferred to lose to trump instead of telling him no.
because it’s cool to not do a FUCKING THING besides on bitch in the internet.
You’re not bitching because you got the genocide that is the only thing any centrist wants.
Shut the fuck up.
Centrists, to people they ignored and then retroactively blame.
Any trans, hispanic, or other people getting blamed and rounded up ought to be ashamed of you.
Don’t hide behind the minorities centrists throw under the bus every single chance they’ve ever had.
Watch out you’re gonna get blocked 🤣
Dems saddled us with Trump and you’re still making excuses for them because you’re a spineless moron
Right because I voted for trump and not the only person positioned to stop him holding office again. We didn’t pick Harris, we tried to pick not trump.
Do you know how an election works? The person with the most votes wins. Which means you have to, you know, vote. And if you don’t, you make other people carry your weight. Likewe actual participating progressives are doing. 3 years of the cycle I work on reform, 1 year I accept the current reality.
Get off your couch. You guys fucked us.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse
You stand for absolutely nothing
genocide is something.
How’s standing for not Harris working out for you? Stopped a genocide yeah? Alternate reality US going pretty good?
These are the people that helped the GOP and the billionaire class get Trump elected
The one on the stage? Yep.
Now, now. It’s not like she campaigned with Liz Cheney… lol.
Fuckin failed state corporate dictatorship.
The traitors protesting
Hating genocide is treason to genocide supporters like you.
Too bad you’ll get your way and the ceasefire won’t last.
People who hate genocide try to minimize it.
These protestors and people like yourself helped Trump get elected and maximized the genocide while also supporting fascism.
These protestors and people like yourself helped Trump get elected
By saying that the genocide you love more than anything is bad. You lost because the shitty candidate you worship supported the only thing you will ever love: murdering Palestinian children.
People who hate genocide do not supoort anybody who support genocide supporters like Harris, Biden and Trump
And Putin and Xi.
We don’t sell weapons to Putin or Xi.
Sure, i didn’t mention them because i was talking in context of Israel genocide
As a result of that logic, Trump was elected, genocide was maximized, fascism took over and the US government moved further right.
At least you didn’t have to vote against genocide. Can you imagine voting against the only thing you live for?
No, idiot. Harris lost because she was bad on everything especially economy. Only 2% of the people had foreign affairs as their top issue which is split between people who care about Ukraine/Russia the most and people who cared about Palestine/Israel and from the very small subset who cared about Palestine/Israel we don’t know how much cared because they support Palestine more or Israel more
Trump is the president now so why is it hard for Harris to admit her support for Israel and complicity in the genocide and apologies. She don’t even care about people now she just want to sell a book. She doesn’t seem to realize that if she don’t join the fight with the people who elected her and are protesting Trump could be one of the first victim of a potential dictatorship by Trump or one of his successor
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