I mean fearing death is human instinct and not really something based in logic.

And what’s new about bombing Yemenis?

Okay, and you think these bombings will lead to a regime change in Yemen? The Saudis tried that first. Low to moderate level foreign conflicts with a widely hated enemy (which the West and Israel are) do nothing but strengthen the ruling government. Hell, even a full-scale war isn’t at all guaranteed to remove the rulers from power, because it gives them legitimacy that they otherwise lack. This is why Hamas is still in power despite 18 years of blockades, three wars and a genocide.

War is awful shit, but often used to end other much more awful, and less visible shit.

You do realize we’re talking about the war on terror here right? If you think there’s something more awful than bombing an apartment building and killing 53 people being prevented by this shit then I don’t even know what to say.

I want everyone who isn’t vocally opposing the war on terror to see videos like this until they fucking learn human empathy.

A toss up between Putin, Netanyahu, Musk and the highest bidder.

You know that’s not what I meant. The Houthis run Yemen as its own country, not as province of Iran, ergo they’re independent.

Please tell me you’re not trying to support the “they’re being contracted” argument, because if so, like, c’mon. That aside, even if we assume they’re an Iranian vassal state, okay and?

You’re arguing with people I have tagged Zionist and Liberal; who have more of an issue with a slight increase in the price of global shipping, over one of the poorest countries who have been living under a US-Saudi genocide, implementing a blockade on trade with Israel for committing genocide.

Oh no I wasn’t expecting coherent counterarguments (as you alluded to, their positions are built on a fundamental disregard for human life); I just like to call out clowns on their bullshit.

Nope, why?

No? The gift here is that Europe will stop doing America’s bidding when it comes to (among other things) oppressing the third world. If you want to argue they already weren’t we have a whole debate about that in the other reply chain so you can do that there.

“We take your (public) land, now you work in a factory or starve”.

Where can I read more about this?

Because you just got wooshed.

Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US?

Do you mean when the vote of no confidence happened? Because I remember that happening before Trump’s term. And either way—and I have to note I’m talking about the principle of the thing here as I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on Singh—one thing you and most other anglophone left-leaning people should realize is that trying to force unity where it doesn’t exist is a recipe for disaster. Of course a time of crisis requires prudence, but sometimes you do have to clean house before you can get anything done. And that aside, Singh has constituents he’s beholden to; he’s not running off game theory either. You might disagree with his remarks (again, I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on this) but I doubt he “shat the bed” just because he was critical of Trudeau.

NDP has 24 seats in the house of commons so they’re winning some elections.

Oh that too lmao.

They only cooperated when it was in their interests. Never when it was against their interests.

What interest did Europe have have in Afghanistan or Iraq? What about Israel? If anything Europe should be invested in a stable Middle East so they don’t have a refugee crisis every other Tuesday, whixh fundamentally goes against the American goal of an unstable Middle East that can’t band together and control its oil exports.

They will absolutely cooperate again the very next time it is in their interests.

America’s current relationship with Europe is gone. They’ll have to build a new relationship with a more independent Europe if they want them to cooperate in the American empire project again, this time with less leverage because Europe is making sure it’ll never need American security again. A lot of the leverage America used to get Europe to on its side is just gone now.

They’re under no obligation to. Never were.

Again, I explicitly said it’s not an obligation; it’s a deal. America provides technology, weapons and security and in return Europe helps America’s imperial ambitions, in addition to a lot of economic mutual back scratching.

Fights over the Falklands specifically with england etc. Hell there’s Russia’s current imperialism against ukraine. Mainland taiwan’s saber rattling against actual Taiwan etc.

Falklands was a defensive war (setting aside whether the British claim to the territories is legitimate or not); I don’t see any imperialism here beyond having a territory in South America in the first place. About Russia, when I said Europe I meant US-aligned Europe (which is most of the continent); obviously Russia is very much imperialist. I’m also not sure what Taiwan has to do with this.

Edit: It’s already happening.

You act like Europe has no agency.

I didn’t mean to imply that. Europe actively chose to follow America’s lead in the quid pro quo that defined their alliance for the past 80 years. However, Europe on its own has very few imperialist ambitions; most (but not all) European acts of imperialism over the past three decades have been following in America’s lead, and therefore with Trump having thrown the quid pro quo in the trash and started to actively antagonize Europe it stands to reason that they’ll cooperate with American ambitions far less now.

I’m just mad at liberals and expressing that; I’m not sure why there needs to be a plot.

K.