Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
I feel that Harris was more left leaning than most people say, but she was playing the election too safe by not trying to promise a stronger platform. She was hedging her bets and was preparing to not have a supermajority in the Senate. In doing so though, her messaging was underwhelming.
If she overpromised and won, then she would have looked exactly the same as Biden. Where nothing meaningful could get passed federally due to being short on votes.
If she underpromised and somehow won big, then the Democrats would have looked great going into 2026 and 2028.
Instead, she underpromised and underperformed, the House, Senate, and White House were lost as a result.
I agree that sticking with a message people can believe in does matter, and it’s why Bernie Sanders is having success even in rural West Virginia in the current year. The progressive platform is popular when people hear about it, so we need an elected leader that believes in the progressive message they are selling.
I think she came with too much baggage as the nominee unfortunately, some of the reason I think they pushed for her was because she would get access to Biden’s campaign funds. But then she ended up not even needing those, so likely any other Dem could have raised a similar amount given how much everything mattered.
I believe she was nominated as VP because she had a similar corporate Dem appeal to Biden back in 2020. Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden. Most of the other candidates back then felt much more left leaning than Biden was.
None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
No because there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down.
You stated there was no primary. I pointed out there was and then asked what the difference between Biden stepping down after the primaries had been run was any different thwn if he had died.
If you have any precedent to point to that shows they had to or even were legally permitted to run a new primary I would be interested in seeing it as Im unaware of any.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
She was fairly qualified given that she was VP.
I feel that Harris was more left leaning than most people say, but she was playing the election too safe by not trying to promise a stronger platform. She was hedging her bets and was preparing to not have a supermajority in the Senate. In doing so though, her messaging was underwhelming.
If she overpromised and won, then she would have looked exactly the same as Biden. Where nothing meaningful could get passed federally due to being short on votes.
If she underpromised and somehow won big, then the Democrats would have looked great going into 2026 and 2028.
Instead, she underpromised and underperformed, the House, Senate, and White House were lost as a result.
I agree that sticking with a message people can believe in does matter, and it’s why Bernie Sanders is having success even in rural West Virginia in the current year. The progressive platform is popular when people hear about it, so we need an elected leader that believes in the progressive message they are selling.
Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
Sorry I double responded, I meant to reply to another commenter and left it here by accident.
I think she came with too much baggage as the nominee unfortunately, some of the reason I think they pushed for her was because she would get access to Biden’s campaign funds. But then she ended up not even needing those, so likely any other Dem could have raised a similar amount given how much everything mattered.
I believe she was nominated as VP because she had a similar corporate Dem appeal to Biden back in 2020. Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden. Most of the other candidates back then felt much more left leaning than Biden was.
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None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
Your question isn’t relevant to what actually happened because it’s an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
Okay, you do realize that Biden should have stepped down long before the debates ever even occurred.
Again I reiterate, you’re talking about something completely different than what I’m talking about.
No because there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down.
You stated there was no primary. I pointed out there was and then asked what the difference between Biden stepping down after the primaries had been run was any different thwn if he had died.
If you have any precedent to point to that shows they had to or even were legally permitted to run a new primary I would be interested in seeing it as Im unaware of any.
“there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down.”
That’s factually incorrect, Biden ran on the promise of being a one term president there was every expectation that he would step down.
You’re just trying to justify bringing up random shit at this point, I’m kinda done with talking in circles with you.