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Vote for Republicans = You’re an evil Nazi
Vote for Democrats = You’re an evil liberal, and liberals are just veiled fascist
Vote for third party = You’re wasting your vote, you’re probably just a foreign asset
Vote for progressives = You support neoliberalism that masquerades as milquetoast socialism
Don’t vote at all = You’re a privileged asshole who caused all these issues by not voting
It literally doesn’t matter what you do or who you vote for, you simply can’t win with these people. There’s no appeasing them, they will forever complain about how you vote.
You forgot someone on your list. You. How would you describe yourself, I wonder? I know how I would.
Let me guess, am I nazi too?
No, you are a propagandist, trying to spread apathy amongst voters who could make a difference. You aren’t trying to get fewer people to vote for the Republican fascists, your goal is to spread apathy between the people who might vote against them.
I see my point is being proven already
It’s literally what you are doing, and the best you can counter with is with pre-school sandbox logic?
Fun fact: everyone who didn’t vote for Hitler made it through the war with a 100% clean conscience, and did not regret any other inactions. /s
Reminder that Hitler lost the election. The liberals endorsed a conservative candidate in the name of unity, who won, and proceeded to staff the government with Nazis and made Hitler chancellor, in the name of unity.
The left, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war.”
In the end, many of them did end up supporting Hindenburg. But liberals will always see the left as a greater threat than fascists.
these manufacturing guilt posts would work if we were not seeing dnc sabotage mamadani to favour predatory stooges just like trump. the “blue no matter what” is only for trash candidates that superpacs want. everytime we get close to a leader that we want like bernie or aoc or mamdani, dnc shows they work for the trumps not against them.
i am not a violent person so pls suggest how we can help get aoc elected in 2029 without doing a luigi on likes of pelosi and schumer ?
does anyone really thinks that these dnc elites actually care about anyone other than themselves and the megadonor billionaires:
…you think AOC is an outsider? Oh sweet, sweet summer child, bless your heart.
she might not be an outsider but she seems to have a spine, supports the progressive cause and candidates. she is the way “lesser evil” that we should be settling for. she is also liked and respected by a lot of fringe gop voters. so there’s a good chance that in time she also get fulls house and senate majority.
They want this. Look at this post from their perspective and it makes you look like joke to them.
I’m not saying this as an insult…
Know thy enemy.
It occurred to me that everybody uses “Nazi” as a shorthand for psychopathic authoritarianism, but no living generation actually knows what it was like to live through that (disclaimer: obviously there are countries that had this the whole time). This time we’ll actually see the “I didn’t vote for this” voices gradually disappear from the internet and at the end we’ll have a new name for this.
I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.
What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?
Never forget. /S
2A exists for a reason
I’m doubtful that an armed US populace will be effective against the militarized police forces and literal military being deployed against Citizens.
The second amendment was more realistic when society had roughly the same fire power as the military, but not so much any more.
They have predator drones, we have AR-15’s. These are not the same.
The number of Americans who showed up to protest in the streets on No King’s Day was at least 1 million more than the sum total of US military and police members.
I find this sentiment very funny, considering the United States terrible performance in asymmetrical warfare.
I don’t think we won a war against an insurgency on their own soil in…… ever?
And that’s with the benefits of untouchable supply lines, and war production, unparalleled intelligence apparatus, and the ability to print money.
Exactly. Proving you ultimately can’t control an armed populace who are willing to take up arms against you.
This all falls apart when most of the country is mass surveilled and production is automated. If only 10% of the workforce are required, it’s easier to control the 10% you need by killing the other 90%, ever shrinking the population of proles until only the < 1% remain.
That’s why fascism, billionaires, and all oligarchs must be eliminated before general AI and mass automation are realized, otherwise the 99% face genocide.
You nailed it, also why the next step for Silicon Valley is military robotics
Did they have predator drones in Afghanistan?
I always find it funny when people put hope in 2a.
Sure there’s military personal that traffick weapons to the streets, cartel and Mafias… But citizens are going to need tanks, battleships, and airplanes. I want to see air craft carriers floating down the Mississippi.
Start with small groups of ICE agents?
Weapons manufacturing facilities?
Infrastructure? Hacktivism?
Economic targets?
Rich mansions?Anything’s better than shoulder-shrugging after decades of molon labe.
so why even try to resist right? Lets just say we are sad about it
Or be smart about it… op was just being honest and realistic… That’s how you need to be when you are at war.
Did you phrase it this way to avoid talking about the ones in the US?
At bare minimum they could not turn the existence of these camps into the opportunity to talk about how morally pure they are. Useless and obnoxious at best, callous and heartless at worst.
Forgot about the new ones popping up, so I will lump them in as well: what concrete actions can US citizens take in regards to the concentration camps being set up by their government? A government that has the largest amount of military spending on the planet, and has now started deploying that military against it’s own citizens.
You always have options.
Drones… Certain funds from the construction market… (Although, I don’t know if they stock other stores in your area.) , start hunting terrorists, Badaboom
Taking some of the millions and millions weapons in US…
But has to be done some time ago. Now ist over.
Edit: But you should definitely arm yourself and be prepared.
The Purge Real Life. Anytime between 2025-2028 in your local country. Get ready.Why are you asking me what to do when my criticism of the sentiment in the OP is that it’s self centered and cruel?
If you need to be led around by the nose, probably literally anything else is going to be better than publicly jacking yourself off about how you didn’t want this to happen. I’m sure you can think of something other than self congratulatory meme posting.
I’m asking as you’re the one complaining. Don’t bring me a dead cat without bringing me a shovel.
FTFY
How do you vote against concentration camps when both candidates are genocidal?
Poor technocrit. Your attempt to keep Republicans in power by infecting progressive-leaning voters with apathy, it just keeps getting weaker and weaker, doesn’t it?
Disingenuous bullshit.
Both candidates support israel, how is that disingenuous?
You know. I don’t need to explain it to you.
Lemme guess…Whoa whoa genocide joe where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from genocide joe
What would you have me do?
Harris said she would work toward peace talks. Whether this was true or not will never be known. But from what I’ve read, despite what she really wanted, she had to “toe the line” and not stray from Biden’s policies if she wanted to keep her campaign alive.
trump campaigned to not only let Netanyahu “finish the job,” and to write Israel a “blank check,” and to build a resort in Gaza, but also to build concentration camps ON AMERICAN SOIL, and to send Americans and immigrants in the US to foreign concentration camps.
Not voting for either is essentially a vote for trump, in this current political climate.
So voting for Harris is the closest we get to voting against concentration camps.
lol this nonsense again, let me guess you didnt vote in protest.
Exactly. The key to remember is that “vote blue no matter who” is a one-way street with one-way loyalty. Centrists demand loyalty from progressives, but they will never offer the same in return.
Show me one who wasn’t “pro genocide”.
Edit: 11 down votes, and still no answers…
That’s the point isn’t it? No matter who you voted for you voted for genocide.
Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
Sure. Though I don’t know about that last part exactly. Since we all support genocide we should at least have some other stuff.
Since we all support genocide…
Your words not mine.
we should at least have some other stuff.
That quick list is in no way comprehensive.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Didn’t vote for it isn’t good enough. 90M people didn’t vote. We needed 2M more to vote against it. Remember this when the midterms come around next fall.
what we need is for people to start exercising their second amendment rights
We also need a political party that also understands this. The entrenched democratic advisers lost 2 times to Trump and I havent seen any mass firing. If anything, the establishment dems are attacking anyone trying to change.
It doesn’t work like that. I’ve been saying this for decades, but maybe this explanation from a political strategist will do a better job.
Simply put, the donors want to win to influence the candidates. They base their data on past voters, not the entire electorate. If you don’t vote, you don’t influence. It’s really always been that simple.
We need to stop rewarding those who have the financial means to reach us in our living rooms, and actively seek out the progressives in every primary. Vote in every election. Stop allowing retirees to pick our candidates and continue to push the Overton Window to the right.
I saw a great quote somewhere that said something like, “You will understand modern American politics if you realize that GOP politicians fear their voters and Democratic politicians don’t fear their voters.”
A lot of progressives and leftists use this as an excuse to not vote and act like withdrawing from politics means they’re not complicit. What they don’t realize is that is exactly what creates this atmosphere where the Dems cater more and more to the center and right to get votes.
Not to mention the general atmosphere like we have on this very thread where the left eats itself alive and divides itself with purity tests that could never work in reality.
But that video basically tells you straight-out… the usual campaign strategies are clearly wrong. You put out a campaign that gets people excited and suddenly way more people get out to vote. It’s not a complicated theory. It clearly works in practice.
All of this conversation though, just shows how fucking poor democracy based around voter turnout is. Put elections on a weekend or make it a public holiday, and make voting mandatory (with the option of a blank ballot for those who really object to voting). It doesn’t solve all your problems. But it sure does help a lot.
Bruh. If you voted, they’d cater their advertising to you. The candidates are still there, you’re not voting for them, and blaming the lack of advertising. That’s like blaming lettuce for not advertising salads and complaining about always eating McDonald’s.
Do you want to take control of your government or not?
I vote. I’m not American, in case my instance name didn’t give it away. I’d vote even if I didn’t want to, because it’s mandatory to do so, one of several vast improvements my country has over yours in the quality of our democratic processes.
But did you watch the video you linked in the last comment? Because it completely turns your argument on its head. You say “if you voted, they’d cater to you”. But that video clearly demonstrates that the exact inverse is true. If you want to get out the vote in a large segment of the Zero Primes, all you have to do is run as exciting campaign with bold progressive policies. The evidence is all laid out there in front of you, even in common sense couldn’t get you there.
Both things can be true.
A good campaign can get people into the voting booth.
A demographic that fails to show up when you think you’ve done everything that makes sense to get them out can cause them to give up on the demographic. They may be woefully misinformed about what they should be doing, but since they don’t know any better, they are likely to just give it up as a lost cause.
Show up in the primaries for the candidate you want, it’s the only realistic way to break the chicken and egg of the establishment ignoring the voters that don’t show up and the voters not showing up for the establishment that ignores them. If the establishment is surprised by the primary outcome, that’s the strongest wakeup call for them.
Of course that’s all the donors have to do. That’s how we get a wolf in sheep’s clothing. We need grassroots primary candidates, and they run all the time. We just don’t do our civic duty and vote in every election.
To give you an idea of how bad it’s gotten, the average turnout for congressional primaries is less than 15% for the last 30 years. That’s why we have this government. We’ve been letting retirees pick conservative centrist Democrats and push the Overton Window to the right for decades.
Edit: You’re going to downvote my factual information in favor of your disenfranchising bullshit? Bruh. You don’t even go here.
You’re going to downvote my factual information in favor of your disenfranchising bullshit? Bruh. You don’t even go here.
Nope. I didn’t even see your comment until after the edit. I am going to downvotes because of the edit, though. Probably woulda upvoted otherwise.
I definitely agree with your last paragraph here. Try to vote in progressives in every primary we have access to in order to use voting to make a difference, yes.
However,
the donors want to win
You mean they want everything for themselves by buying politicians, right? Because often times Dem strategy is so incredibly tone deaf the only thing that’s clear about it is that they aren’t trying to win an election, they’re simply doing what the donors tell them to do. In this case, it’s the classic pretend fight, send strongly worded letters, and then let the republicans narrowly pass the massive tax break for the rich. Which is in fact a win for the donors, but nobody else.
That’s not the case if we get behind candidates with good ethics in grassroots campaigns. They choose to accept donations, and can refuse contributions from unsavory donors. We have several clean donor Representatives in the house. It’s not impossible. It just takes our participation.
What do you think fascism is, and what are its causes?
Do you seriously think the German descent into fascism was a result of poltical apathy?
I’m not entertaining a philosophical debate with someone who equates Harris and Trump.
We can try again when you’re older.
If you don’t vote, you don’t influence.
That’s the stupidest strategy you could have when you know WHY a lot of people aren’t voting at all. The only purpose of this strategy is to participate in the degradation of voting shares, and by extension, fascism. You want new votes, you get new people to vote, and you know how to do that. The GOP figured it out (I don’t want to say Trump figured it out).
How do you think the GOP got those candidates in the election? They enter through primaries. We don’t need to figure it out. We have the goddamn answer. We just need to vote in primaries and stop allowing retirees to pick corporate centrists for us.
Look at the Cuomo / Mamdani primary for NY mayor, the DNC really tried to kill the socialist campaign. Most primaries like that don’t get that much support against the “old guard” among Democrats, so most of the time, the actual good non-centrist option gets swept away like dust. The work that’s needed to push a socialist through the primary is so much more than “you just need to get out and vote” because those like Cuomo have so much more weight to shut them down, it’s so rare for that to fail like this.
They didn’t try to kill anything. They just didn’t put support behind Mamdani. If we did our civic duty and voted in every primary, the candidates that represent us, like Mamdani, would always be in the general election.
We can’t keep blaming big lettuce for not advertising salads while buying McDonald’s every day. We know it’s out there. Go get some lettuce.
The purpose is you have to stop supporting bad parties from somewhere, otherwise you can be coerced into voting against your interests every single time.
It had to end at some point. Now there is a socialist candidate.
There’s no way to vote against something that both candidates support (eg. genocide).
Primaries!
If more people voted in primaries we would have probably had president Sanders instead of Trump the first time around
If they cared about genocide so much, they should have voted to prevent the one they would trigger back home.
Your insistence on seeing black and white in a gray world will be your end.
Unfortunately it’s also my end.
They didn’t vote for trump, but they sure as hell voted for this.
You’re the one stuck in black and white thinking. Any Democrat is better than any Republican, by definition. You would canvass for Mussolini if his opponent was Hitler.
That’s entirely false. Read my comment history. I spend most of my time on Lemmy trying to engage people in the primary process to unseat the corporate centrists.
Regarding the 2024 election, the Palestinians had two options. Bad, and worse. By refusing to choose, they were going to get worse. People like you would rather not put their names on bad, and let the Palestinians get worse, so they’d have a clear conscience.
I have no respect for the self-righteous.
You still don’t have any red lines though. There’s nothing a candidate could do, no behavior so monstrous, no atrocities so grand that would ever make you not vote for the lesser of two evils. Again, you would vote for Mussolini if he was running against Hitler.
If not, where is your red line? What would a Democrat have to do before you would refuse to vote for them, regardless of who they were running against?
I’m not entertaining a philosophical debate with someone who equates Mussolini and Hitler.
We can try again when you’re older.
[email protected], c. 1939
Had a discussion with my wife’s parents the other day. They thought it was hilarious. They laughed, alternating between mockery of the poor and “nobody helped me so everybody should suffer!”
She said maybe it’s time to go no-contact.
some in-laws are such terrible people once you get to know them. but the IL are the on the recieving ends of the cuts in the bbb, they are getting exactly what they wanted, they are just copium. i had cousins that after the astroworld crush, they were sitll “investing” in that venue, how immoral you have to be to do that, they would be the same people that would work for palintir because of money. asians are quite disconnected from politics/current events.
Going no contact is a lot easier than it sounds: the biggest issue is “them” not respecting your new boundaries.
My biggest piece of advice is to never respond to them. The ‘keeping silent and ghosting’ part can be a challenge.
Ultimately, though, you owe them nothing but your happiness.It’s tough. Years of upbringing makes it hard for her to not respond, but even in the best of times they were conservative nuts. But sure, not everybody likes their family’s political views, right? They went full Nazi during his first term. Now, they don’t even try to hide it and openly admit that they agree with everything happening.
And delete your Facebook account. It’s just generally better for your mental health, it aids in stopping the cycle of billionaires feeding everyone information by whoever pays them. And then it stops unwanted contact from family. They can still post about you, but they’re screaming into an empty void of data centers at that point
Here’s to hoping leopards feast on their faces soon!
And a bunch of people didn’t vote for hitler. Nazi party got 43% of the votes on 1933.
It’s fucking depressing though. I voted for Harris, went to college, worked in IT and was a good little worker, got a decent credit score, barely got a starter home…
By all accounts I did everything right. But I’m still fucked. Going to be laid off this year and this IT industry is fucked. We all are. We can’t do anything because the wealthy always win. I’m depressed most days and only find joy in reading sometimes but other hobbies don’t feel the same.
Every time I’ve voted, my candidate of choice loses. I’m powerless. I’m not well.
What kind of genres do you read? If you dig speculative fiction I’m happy to share recommendations and am happy to talk books. It’s not much, but just nerding out about stuff somtimes helps.
I’m not op, but I like speculative fiction. I was really into Ministry For The Future. I also liked Termination Shock.
What have you got?
I think it’s pretty rad that you offered to recommend books. You’re alright.
I used to be dogshit about reading but I’m trying to finish the Fourth Wing series. I’m on the last book.
But I noticed I generally enjoy thriller genres. Like The Silent Patient which was a thriller murder mystery.
And another thriller I liked was about a very thin haunted house. God the name escapes me.
Yes any recommendations are welcome and appreciated.
I’m not super versed in thriller but my friends have me dipping my feet into horror.
Sister, Maiden, Monster by Lucy A Snider was a favorite last year. Creepy, timely, and let’s say visceral.
I’m in the first 3rd of Perdido Street Station now from China Mieville. He’s credited with helping start the New Weird. Not horror as such but it’s marvelous.
And Light From Uncommon Stars by Ryka Aoki was just a rad read. It’s roughly about donughts, violins, and selling souls.
By all accounts I did everything right.
Maybe the actual problem is your definition of “right”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Every time I’ve voted, my candidate of choice loses. I’m powerless. I’m not well.
Maybe you should start acting on your own instead of placing your life/future/trust in the hands of some sociopath.
What are you suggesting Americans do to survive? This is some bullshit reply.
Obviously instead of voting you should just go be president yourself.
By not voting you did vote.
First past the post system and all of that.
alot of conservatives do that, yes many dont vote at all because they cant be bothered, those are the low info voters. there are al group that will not vote for any reason simply because of jury duty summons. some people cant afford 1 day or a few weeks off, and JD doesnt compensate for your loss income, its “pathetically just giving change to homeless people”, and employers arnt legally required to do so other either, because its on the courts to pay.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
a qoute from a ds9 episode, during one of the dominion episodes, something along the lines “as not doing anything is as bad as supporting the occupation”- vedek
Thank you, now Rush is going to be stuck in my head.
(No seriously, thank you. Prior to this, my head was stuck with nursery rhymes.)
I read it as they voted blue.
Considering how many enlightened geniuses said that they just couldn’t vote for Harris over Gaza… I don’t actually think that’s a safe assumption.
michiganers protest voted against her, i think thats the place that had the most effect on her votes, everywhere else is less affected by foreign policy issues.
michagan is important because it has large muslim population, but not all muslims like palestinians, its another history behind that too.
You don’t have to be a genius to oppose genocide, just a decent person.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately, as a result of Trump’s win, expressing that specific opinion can get you deported.
Enlightened Geniuses:
And did helping Trump win helped, right? He definitely put a stop to the Israeli aggression.
I have a relative who has been on medicaid on and off who “doesn’t pay attention to politics”. I frequently explain current events to them- like efforts to cut medicaid that may cause them to lose their coverage.
The obliviousness (or complacency, in many cases) of some people is unbelievable.
the “dont pay attention to politics” are the low information voters of trump, there are 2 types of conservatives: one watches fox news, or any right wing related media and consumes current events in a skewed way and somewhat up to date and the other are low info voters people who just take snippets and take the talking heads of (fox or right wing grifters like shapiro) out of the context because they dont understand the full story,
i think most are the latter, i know 2 people that are like this(still supporting ye and believing hes not actually BIPOLAR AND JUST TROLLING)
This is sending me
TBH I don’t want to talk to a bunch of libs who put me in a boiling pot. It’s annoying, condescending, and it does absolutely nothing to change the water temperature.
If only they had voted!!! It would be a totally different world!!! jfc…
Some of us are old enough to remember what things were like before Trump. Things would be completely different if Harris had won, and you’re a fucking naive child if you believe otherwise.
Remember when Trump wiped women and people of color from DoD and other government documents in his DEI sweep? Fucking sucks man.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the state that he operates just like his predecessor and current collaborators in both “parties”.
It’s a big mistake to assume this is some kind of break rather than a smooth continuation.
Biden did not use deportation as a weapon against legal permanent residents, green card holders, infants, and political opponents.
I think you know what you’re doing. You’re all over this thread. I just realized that all of the bullshit here is you.
We’ve had them for over a decade at this point. They were first established and construction started during the Obama administration. During 45 AOC among a few other politicians did a performative photo-op in front of them and then that party as a whole proceeded to do nothing about them. Now we seem to have come back full-circle.
There seems to be a concerted effort to pretend that what’s happening is business as usual, and not a direct result of Trump.
Fuck outta here with that.
Hang on a second. Trump and the Republicans are obviously way more extreme, but Obama was the deporter in chief for a reason. One of the greatest terrorists in world history with the drone program. Just because Republicans are fascist lunatics doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge what led here.
Obama and Biden deported criminals, they didn’t go to fucking job sites and brutalize peaceful workers. They didn’t deport people to prisons in a third country that the person has zero connection to. They didn’t deport green card holders and legal permanent residents.
People’s memories can’t really be this short, right?
It didn’t “lead” anywhere, this is Project 2025. This is what these racist fucks were always going to do.
but they did start the “immigrant detention centers.”
They had due process.
Most of them weren’t even given the means to find lawyers.
Many of them received representation from attorneys in the immigration groups that Trump stopped funding. Oops.
You don’t really seem to understand how society actually works. Liberalism leads to fascism. A Trump is an inevitability when you have decades of neoliberal reforms and barely any relief. No one is saying the two parties in the US are identical. Yes, things are worse right now! That’s not what I’m objecting to here.
Ok bud.
neoliberalis and liberals are not the same thing. also, Germany was utterly fucking obliviated as punishment for starting World War 1. I feel that that had more to do with fascism taking over than politicians from a collapsed government.
I never said that neoliberals and liberals are the same thing. Obama is a neoliberal as was every president after Nixon. No idea what you’re talking about.
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