Okay. Sorry that you dislike pattern recognition too.

You’re right, mischaracterization and negative insinuations are only okay if you have the right tone.

Sorry that I don’t play asspat games.

If you want to be pedantic about what NATO was called when the same members were just the allied forces then idk if we can talk about this in good faith.

… Jesus fucking Christ.

Israel was not ‘given land’ by ‘the allied forces’.

It seems like most of the “antisemitism” that appeared out of nowhere in the last couple months is just a renewal of an IDF troll campaign.

So… Clintonism: The Sequel?

So glad the goons in the DNC have learned their lesson.

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/u/ZombiFrancis can correct me if I’m wrong but I think what they’re saying is that the DNC was unable to redefine what is perceived as electable;

That would contradict their statements in response to my criticism

And yeah, I still support my own point, now and from a year ago, because I don’t dismiss the support as empty land.

At any rate the criticism in both cases is the rejection of those ‘empty land’ folks. It is consistent. I supported it then and I support it now. What I don’t support is then turning around and dismissing those people and states as empty land. This isn’t rocket surgery.

the stale notion that progressivism is not palatable to rural working class voters despite evidence to the contrary.

It’s literally not, though. As I’ve said numerous times before, the “Do you want [GOOD THING]?” polling that people so often point to ignores that a very large proportion of the people who respond positively to that will walk it back the moment you introduce any sort of the things that conservatives hammer as a downside.

The answer is, mind you, not to water down progressivism - it’s to stop trying to fucking bend over backwards for areas that vote 95%+ (not joking, I lived near districts with those numbers) GOP every fucking election. While going immediately full-throttle far-left on every issue may not be ideal, Clintonesque ‘triangulation’ is a clear and distinct failure, and needs to be abandoned, despite the DNC’s reluctance to let it go. We do, as you said, need a coherent and firm vision we can push going forward.

But don’t be fooled into thinking there’s some easy way to reach out and ‘convert’ these rural working class voters. They have fundamentally different values than progressives.

At any rate the criticism in both cases is the rejection of those ‘empty land’ folks. It is consistent. I supported it then and I support it now. What I don’t support is then turning around and dismissing those people and states as empty land. This isn’t rocket surgery.

No, it’s not rocket surgery, yet you literally just restated the contradictory position without a hint of self-awareness. In one case, you acknowledge (and condemn) that your dreaded shitlib opposition aren’t working off the 50-state strategy; in this case, you pretend that your dreaded shitlib opposition are working off the 50-state strategy so you have an excuse to call them hypocrites.

They, by your own description, are not ‘turning around’ and dismissing those folks, because by your own description, they don’t support the 50-state strategy to begin with. But wouldn’t it be awful if you had to argue your points on the actual merits instead of accusing your enemies of being hypocrites as a replacement for putting in any sort of thought or substance to your usual reflexively reactionary takes?

I think you don’t understand what I initially said in this thread here, and have taken that personally.

Considering that I’m the one in this thread who’s objected to the map’s misleading nature by pointing out that most of it is empty land?

Your attempts at plausible deniability are, uh, not very plausible. Nor is your usual extensive intellectual disingenuity impressive.

What’s this? I’m not as plugged-in since the election.

The worst part is that people on Lemmy are more politically engaged than your average eligible voter. This is literally the top half of the population, in terms of political engagement and education.

God help us.

Lemmy has a search-by-user option. If you know political terms, it doesn’t take long to dig up someone’s opinions. Doubly so if you’ve had run-ins with them in the past and have a vague outline of their beliefs.

Looks more like that comment is supporting Dean’s strategy of flipping purple states, not deep red ones.

That’s the opposite of what the 50-state strategy is, though. Trying to flip purple states is standard practice. You literally can’t win a presidential election without it.

Finish the sentence and close the loop: “and then refer to Sanders support as ‘empty land.’” The comment makes sense as a complete thought. By cutting out the conclusion you definitely make it confusing.

The clear implication is that your dreaded shitlib opposition is advocating the 50-state strategy when dismissing Sanders. Yet your criticism elsewhere is that your dreaded shitlib opposition is NOT advocating the 50-state strategy.

I’m sorry that you don’t like being called out for kettle logic?

…and did you just go through a years worth of my post history for a screenshot? I know you go through and downvote my post history, but man.

lmao. Lemmy has a search option. All I had to do was type in ‘50 state’ by user ZombiFrancis, since I vaguely remembered you simping for the 50 state strategy before. Sorry that you’re on record?

I’m flattered that you think I can read tens-of-thousands of words of your comment history inside ten minutes, but I promise, I read fast, but not that fast.

Imagine relentlessly defending attempts to appeal to red states and conservatives as a viable electoral strategy,

Isn’t focusing on liberal and swing states exactly what you criticize the DNC for?

In fact, here’s you explicitly praising the 50-state strategy.

So you’re… imagining yourself?

Get help, buddy.

Yeah that’s part of why the post is bullshit.

The post is bullshit because… you’re incapable of differentiating between individuals of a particular ethnicity and political allegiance to fascist and genocidal movements?

What?

I can easily tell the difference between a fascist and regular person. I know a few israelis. The zios are racist creeps. Those who resist are brave refugees who’ve had to flee zio death threats and prison.

Are you… talking to yourself right now or something? What does this have to do with the topic?

Keep dodging the question tho.

“Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution instead of a racist Zionist state. Please don’t peddle antisemitic claptrap about sending them ‘back where they came from’ because their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents came from Europe. That’s insanely racist.”

“OH, so you would allow the NAZIS to be part of POLAND’S government???”

I’m beginning to think you’re suffering from a legitimate mental illness, because you very consistently start with these bizarre tangents and get weirder and less relevant with each comment.

I’m talking about nazis, not ethnically german poles. Can you understand the difference?

Considering that you came in on a post saying that Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution, and asking people not to be antisemitic?

I’m not sure that you understand the difference. Or much of anything, for that matter.

what I find really distressing is that it’s not just Bernie; no mainstream person or organization with national reach is giving concrete advice and/or instructions on how to depose the oligarchy

What instructions are you looking for, exactly? Like, what are the instructions that ‘should’ be handed out at this point?

There’s no simple, easy, or quick solution to this, and since the election, things have gotten considerably worse on the ‘possible solutions’ front. Calls to organize and seek alternatives to oligarch-controlled resources are the groundwork which orgs constantly call for but no one fucking heeds. So what’re the instructions that will provide the solution that those calls haven’t?

And it would seem many are content to imitate the Zionists in parroting that Nazi shite. Congratulations on being manipulated by literal fucking Zionists.

Should nazis have been integrated into post-ww2 solution?

… fucking what

Is this some Morgenthau Plan insanity that I’m not genocidal enough to understand?

If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes.

Oh, great, more ‘Go back where you came from!’ racism. Blut und boden. It seems the only thing that separates you from literal fucking Nazis is what team colors you wear.

There’s really no better method than constantly nominating garbage candidates.

I said, and I quote:

No, no, you see, if we just convince enough people NOT to vote in the primaries, the whole system will collapse!

What the ever-loving fuck do you think a primary is

The fuck does Harris have to do with what I’m saying?