Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Tf you talking about? As an outsider I can tell you, this person did not fucking vote for genocide.
What is this catch-22 shit? You won’t be happy until someone straps themselves to a bomb, and blows up some random cop, is that it?
Be real, dictatorships do just happen, humans are weak, don’t be surprised most won’t lay down their lives if they don’t even know if it will hurt the right people.
Yes they did. They voted for Kamala Harris. Just like I did. Someone who was going to support and continue the genocide just like Joe Biden did. She said so publicly many times. That’s a fact. They voted for that. Just like I did.
Also no dictatorships don’t just happen. They’re allowed to happen. We’ve allowed this. That weakness is what causes . This is exactly what I’m talking about here if you don’t accept responsibility for your voting then how are you going to make things better? How can you ever hope to endorse policies that make things better if you’re not willing to address the things you’ve done wrong?
If voting for both will get you the same, or voting for none, then what exactly are you to blame for? This is some Hobbles Calvinist nonsense that people keep trying to push.
For letting it get to that point. You think we just woke up one day and that was what happened? You don’t think voting for neoliberals for 40 years got us here?
We were lazy we were complacent this is our fault. Now we got to fix it. And we can’t do it the same lazy ass way. There ain’t a way to fix this that’s going to be the same bougie shit of the last 40 years.
Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
Oh please. Genocide denial? Of course there’s a genocide going on in Palestine that’s being driven by Israel and their allies. That’s not the debate here.
Get off your high horse. Your political system is absolute rubbish and you’ve cornered yourselves onto picking status quo and a lunatic. And unfortunately, your elected president pretty much determines a lot of what the Western sphere does.
I wish the US didn’t have anywhere near the amount of influence it has but it was lucky that they were largely untouched in WW2 which provided a developmental advantage.
You might sleep better for not having taken part in your democracy or whatever, but the fact that the rest of us now have to deal with the international fall out is so, so frustrating.
And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
I think you have a mistaken idea of what the policing has looked like in the past 78 years. The US bombed Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Guatemala, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, and they’ve armed plenty of regimes doing the bombing for them (Saddam Hussein, for example). America has been destabilizing the globe for decades, and there is a lot of blood on their hands (on the order of 12 million, if we count direct casualties).
You think there was a good reason for invading Iraq?
Nope. Not at all. I don’t think any of it is good at all.
However, it doesn’t matter because the US has the biggest military in the world and maintained some semblance of global order. Now that the US has essentially flipped sides, it’s caused all sorts of instability with the global economy.
I’m being selfish here because your orange idiot and the sheer greed of your richest people has caused issues in our economy. It honestly would’ve been better under Harris.
That’s the point isn’t it? No matter who you voted for you voted for genocide.
Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
Sure. Though I don’t know about that last part exactly. Since we all support genocide we should at least have some other stuff.
Your words not mine.
That quick list is in no way comprehensive.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Sounds like Americans deserve the shit they’re in then lmao bunch of scumbag.
Tf you talking about? As an outsider I can tell you, this person did not fucking vote for genocide.
What is this catch-22 shit? You won’t be happy until someone straps themselves to a bomb, and blows up some random cop, is that it?
Be real, dictatorships do just happen, humans are weak, don’t be surprised most won’t lay down their lives if they don’t even know if it will hurt the right people.
Yes they did. They voted for Kamala Harris. Just like I did. Someone who was going to support and continue the genocide just like Joe Biden did. She said so publicly many times. That’s a fact. They voted for that. Just like I did.
Also no dictatorships don’t just happen. They’re allowed to happen. We’ve allowed this. That weakness is what causes . This is exactly what I’m talking about here if you don’t accept responsibility for your voting then how are you going to make things better? How can you ever hope to endorse policies that make things better if you’re not willing to address the things you’ve done wrong?
If voting for both will get you the same, or voting for none, then what exactly are you to blame for? This is some Hobbles Calvinist nonsense that people keep trying to push.
For letting it get to that point. You think we just woke up one day and that was what happened? You don’t think voting for neoliberals for 40 years got us here?
We were lazy we were complacent this is our fault. Now we got to fix it. And we can’t do it the same lazy ass way. There ain’t a way to fix this that’s going to be the same bougie shit of the last 40 years.
sound awfully defensive…
Indeed
Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
Ah yes America sending bombs is a fatality.
Genocide denial is endemic to lemmy world isn’t it
Oh please. Genocide denial? Of course there’s a genocide going on in Palestine that’s being driven by Israel and their allies. That’s not the debate here.
Get off your high horse. Your political system is absolute rubbish and you’ve cornered yourselves onto picking status quo and a lunatic. And unfortunately, your elected president pretty much determines a lot of what the Western sphere does.
I wish the US didn’t have anywhere near the amount of influence it has but it was lucky that they were largely untouched in WW2 which provided a developmental advantage.
You might sleep better for not having taken part in your democracy or whatever, but the fact that the rest of us now have to deal with the international fall out is so, so frustrating.
I think you have a mistaken idea of what the policing has looked like in the past 78 years. The US bombed Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Guatemala, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, and they’ve armed plenty of regimes doing the bombing for them (Saddam Hussein, for example). America has been destabilizing the globe for decades, and there is a lot of blood on their hands (on the order of 12 million, if we count direct casualties).
You think there was a good reason for invading Iraq?
Nope. Not at all. I don’t think any of it is good at all.
However, it doesn’t matter because the US has the biggest military in the world and maintained some semblance of global order. Now that the US has essentially flipped sides, it’s caused all sorts of instability with the global economy.
I’m being selfish here because your orange idiot and the sheer greed of your richest people has caused issues in our economy. It honestly would’ve been better under Harris.