You mean the Democratic Party sat around and assumed they could further their own power grab because the American people had no choice but to vote for them. You mean the Democratic Party is currently sitting around doing nothing… wait, no—they are actively censuring their members who are talking truth to power. That’s much worse than if they did nothing at all.

If you’re going to blame someone, blame the ones responsible for fascism. Then blame the ones who gambled our future to further the agenda of their donors. The party knew they abandoned their progressive voter base. They miscalculated, and now they’ve doubled down. Fuck. Them.

I explicitly told you that the Democratic Party pushing neocon policies and pushing “vote blue no matter who” WOULD CAUSE VOTER APATHY. Voter apathy is a symptom, of direct democrat action. I told you I would vote for Harris—UNDER EXTREME DURESS.

What do you mean “the most left-leaning Dem platform in fucking decades”?

Fucking Bernie Sanders ran in 2016. Harris, against all reason and hope, stated directly that she would not change Democratic policy—the same policy that has ratcheted us to the right for decades. Biden, in his time as president, failed to achieve anything when he specifically had the windows to do it. So no. That is an outright lie.

Wait, are you talking about both sides as in the political parties, or both sides as in far left and ‘centrist’ secret nazi?

Still sick of this blaming apathetic voters for the clear failure of the Democratic Party. You had mentioned that harm mitigation trumps all moral consideration of choice. That’s short term thinking, one that has gotten us in this mess. If democrats want to play chicken putting ‘their’ progressive voting base against their neoconservative principles, that is a failure on them. Their actions after losing further prove their deficit. I warned you specifically during the election what the outcome would be because of how the democrats acted.

You invent a scenario, and applied that to all people who struggle then? Context be dammed? Damn, sounds like a bad take.

The OP context is “older generations say that things are easy, when they had it easy. But here is an example that shows that things are not equal by a long shot.

Then you show up with a ‘if people would just stop eating avocado toast, they would have it just as easy’ ignoring the message in the OP and the systemic issues that not only make owning both your stated items a necessary component of life, but makes everything much more expensive.

A stupid take. Do struggling people own $1300 phones or expensive cars? Maybe there are some but not a lot. You fucking just dammed everyone struggling over just the possibility, inventing a character flaw on an entire class of people.

A very, very stupid take.

I damn i thought it was a banana, you sure it’s not a banana?

No, your take is very stupid

you just avocado toast even harder. Now you not only over generalized people, and willfully ignore the cause of the problem.

You then turn items that are essential to life in society into irresponsible luxuries. If you can’t afford to rent there is no such thing as an affordable phone/car.

The point of the post is that it’s not merely impulsive spending and you went, “nah, it is just that”

That’s what AI is for /s

You must be a great person if everyone agrees that their community is better off without you in it. You are not being silenced you are being shown the door

Dishonest American interlocutor,

When you cite a murder by ‘some illegal immigrant’ to justify the harm done to a completely unrelated, legally present individual, your justification does not discriminate. That’s collective punishment by nationality—by definition, bigoted and racist. I never called you those things; I called you dishonest. Your words speak for themselves.

I called you dishonest. I said you committed the actions of a racist and bigot.

The point i made is very simple. Every citizen does not have to account for the murders of their fellow citizen. Just as every immigrant does not have to account for the murders of their fellow immigrants. To make that assertion is racist and bigoted. I even explained how the people on the list were chosen.

You also make assumptions about how i consider the prison. I don’t consider it “like the Holocaust” i consider it like a concentration camp. We shall see if they get around to mass executions.

Also this prison may contain people who have committed murder and rape. But to assign that to everyone who is in there is a category error. In the case of the person we are talking about, there was no finding he committed any crime. In fact he was abducted and detained without trial, which means he is innocent, until proven otherwise. He was not even accused by the trump administration of murder or rape. He was accused of being in a gang after the fact without evidence.

Statement: It’s good to have immigrants, it’s not good to have murderers.

Dishonest interlocutor,

Only a racist and bigot would attempt to justify harm to someone on the basis of their nationality, or race, or immigrant status by using the crimes of another.

Enjoy this list of murder victims for which you are not held to account, yet enjoy the same immigration status of their killer:

• Lynda Ann Healy
• Georgann Hawkins
• Janice Ott
• Denise Naslund
• Kimberly Leach
• Timothy McCoy
• John Butkovitch
• Robert Piest
• Steven Hicks
• Anthony Sears
• Konerak Sinthasomphone
• Clementa Pinckney
• Cynthia Hurd
• Sharonda Coleman-Singleton
• Tywanza Sanders
• Myra Thompson
• Baylee Almon
• Chase Smith
• Michael Fortier Jr.
• Lauren Townsend
• Cassie Bernall
• Rachel Scott
• Daniel Mauser
• Jessica Ghawi
• Veronica Moser-Sullivan (6 years old)
• Alison Parker
• Adam Ward
• Nicole Brown Simpson
• Ron Goldman
• Gabby Petito
• Laci Peterson
• Shanann Watts
• Bella Watts (4 years old)
• Celeste Watts (3 years old)
• Catherine Kraus
• Benjamin Larson
• Jack Pinto (6 years old)
• Noah Pozner (6 years old)
• Avielle Richman (6 years old)
• Ana Márquez-Greene (6 years old)
• Alaina Petty
• Jaime Guttenberg
• Meadow Pollack
• Helena Ramsay
• Joaquin Oliver
• Alyssa Alhadeff
• Gina Montalto
• Nicholas Dworet
• Carmen Schentrup
• Chris Hixon
• Aaron Feis
• Scott Beigel
• Sonny Melton
• Heather Alvarado
• Hannah Ahlers
• Brennan Stewart
• Carrie Parsons
• Dorene Anderson
• Angela Gomez

I don’t care how many people are progressive, at this point it’s the only thing i will vote for. I saw how the Democratic Party acted after losing, and i am talking about all of it, not just pathetic signs and admonishing people speaking truth to power. I will not vote for establishment again no matter what the options are.

I got an $80 one from Home Depot. And it was the second best purchase i have made. It really didn’t have to be expensive… but i did try to buy one on Amazon… and it was designed to fail, so i recommend just going to get one at a store

I do try to make some sort of noise, or i will shift what i am holding to what ever side i am passing a woman, or will cross the street to avoid having to cross paths… mainly because accusatory stares, or women clutching their children as i pass is too hard to bear

Talk about getting set up like a T-ball.

They would rather usher the death of their site then allow someone to answer a question on their watch, it’s true.

They would have to have birth right citizenship for that to work.

If he was given extra responsibilities like being in some committee he could lose those, but in this case i don’t think that’s a concern.

It’s mostly symbolic. But the last thing we need is democrats scoring own goals, and stopping actual action against tyranny

Oh this again? Democratic Party: has our Neo liberalism, refusal to enact progressive policy, and backing of a genocide alienated progressive voters? Disenfranchised voter: damn it we told you a thousand times yes! Democratic Party: No it’s the voters who are wrong.

We fundamentally disagree on what “doing nothing” means. Voting for democrats so they don’t have to change to stay relevant seems like doing nothing to me. Letting the democrats fail seems like doing nothing to you. But think of this. I am but one and my thoughts on the matter are not unique. Unless democrats are forced to change in some way, they will never have a unified front, and they will doom us all.