Dishonest American interlocutor,

When you cite a murder by ‘some illegal immigrant’ to justify the harm done to a completely unrelated, legally present individual, your justification does not discriminate. That’s collective punishment by nationality—by definition, bigoted and racist. I never called you those things; I called you dishonest. Your words speak for themselves.

I called you dishonest. I said you committed the actions of a racist and bigot.

The point i made is very simple. Every citizen does not have to account for the murders of their fellow citizen. Just as every immigrant does not have to account for the murders of their fellow immigrants. To make that assertion is racist and bigoted. I even explained how the people on the list were chosen.

You also make assumptions about how i consider the prison. I don’t consider it “like the Holocaust” i consider it like a concentration camp. We shall see if they get around to mass executions.

Also this prison may contain people who have committed murder and rape. But to assign that to everyone who is in there is a category error. In the case of the person we are talking about, there was no finding he committed any crime. In fact he was abducted and detained without trial, which means he is innocent, until proven otherwise. He was not even accused by the trump administration of murder or rape. He was accused of being in a gang after the fact without evidence.

Statement: It’s good to have immigrants, it’s not good to have murderers.

Dishonest interlocutor,

Only a racist and bigot would attempt to justify harm to someone on the basis of their nationality, or race, or immigrant status by using the crimes of another.

Enjoy this list of murder victims for which you are not held to account, yet enjoy the same immigration status of their killer:

• Lynda Ann Healy
• Georgann Hawkins
• Janice Ott
• Denise Naslund
• Kimberly Leach
• Timothy McCoy
• John Butkovitch
• Robert Piest
• Steven Hicks
• Anthony Sears
• Konerak Sinthasomphone
• Clementa Pinckney
• Cynthia Hurd
• Sharonda Coleman-Singleton
• Tywanza Sanders
• Myra Thompson
• Baylee Almon
• Chase Smith
• Michael Fortier Jr.
• Lauren Townsend
• Cassie Bernall
• Rachel Scott
• Daniel Mauser
• Jessica Ghawi
• Veronica Moser-Sullivan (6 years old)
• Alison Parker
• Adam Ward
• Nicole Brown Simpson
• Ron Goldman
• Gabby Petito
• Laci Peterson
• Shanann Watts
• Bella Watts (4 years old)
• Celeste Watts (3 years old)
• Catherine Kraus
• Benjamin Larson
• Jack Pinto (6 years old)
• Noah Pozner (6 years old)
• Avielle Richman (6 years old)
• Ana Márquez-Greene (6 years old)
• Alaina Petty
• Jaime Guttenberg
• Meadow Pollack
• Helena Ramsay
• Joaquin Oliver
• Alyssa Alhadeff
• Gina Montalto
• Nicholas Dworet
• Carmen Schentrup
• Chris Hixon
• Aaron Feis
• Scott Beigel
• Sonny Melton
• Heather Alvarado
• Hannah Ahlers
• Brennan Stewart
• Carrie Parsons
• Dorene Anderson
• Angela Gomez

I don’t care how many people are progressive, at this point it’s the only thing i will vote for. I saw how the Democratic Party acted after losing, and i am talking about all of it, not just pathetic signs and admonishing people speaking truth to power. I will not vote for establishment again no matter what the options are.

I got an $80 one from Home Depot. And it was the second best purchase i have made. It really didn’t have to be expensive… but i did try to buy one on Amazon… and it was designed to fail, so i recommend just going to get one at a store

I do try to make some sort of noise, or i will shift what i am holding to what ever side i am passing a woman, or will cross the street to avoid having to cross paths… mainly because accusatory stares, or women clutching their children as i pass is too hard to bear

Talk about getting set up like a T-ball.

They would rather usher the death of their site then allow someone to answer a question on their watch, it’s true.

They would have to have birth right citizenship for that to work.

If he was given extra responsibilities like being in some committee he could lose those, but in this case i don’t think that’s a concern.

It’s mostly symbolic. But the last thing we need is democrats scoring own goals, and stopping actual action against tyranny

Oh this again? Democratic Party: has our Neo liberalism, refusal to enact progressive policy, and backing of a genocide alienated progressive voters? Disenfranchised voter: damn it we told you a thousand times yes! Democratic Party: No it’s the voters who are wrong.

We fundamentally disagree on what “doing nothing” means. Voting for democrats so they don’t have to change to stay relevant seems like doing nothing to me. Letting the democrats fail seems like doing nothing to you. But think of this. I am but one and my thoughts on the matter are not unique. Unless democrats are forced to change in some way, they will never have a unified front, and they will doom us all.

Don’t know. I was referring to things like this just grabbed it from top search result: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3833959/signal-will-exit-sweden-rather-than-dilute-message-security.html

I am saying that the necessary steps forward were decided by the Democratic Party.

We have to clean our shit first before we handle the republicans. I would prefer to prevent harm first, but that is out of our hands now. Fascists have taken over the government. You want nothing to change with the democrats? Don’t expect change in the voting box. What was the democrats reaction to losing this election? ‘We should drop the defense of minorities, we should advocate power to the republicans, uncontested to show everyone how bad it is because they didn’t vote for us. We should not talk about Gaza. we should stop fighting against aggressive deportations.’(which they never did)

No their stance and actions after the election shows that the democrats need to be the first hurdle jumped. Once they are in order and we have a non fractured party THEN we drag the republicans into the light.

You are incorrect. I have 4 options. I could not vote, or i can vote third party anyway because that’s the only way forward. You can argue however you like but you are wholly unconvincing, and you resort to the same “you HAVE to vote democrat or your Hitler and helping the republicans” that proves to me that the Democratic Party will NEVER change and they must be dismantled to move forward. Sucks that they have to be fixed before the republicans are halted but that’s how i see it.

And you can skip the part where to apologize for the democrat’s not obstructing the republicans because of the “public’s mandate” cuz its wholly unconvincing as well

Sorry, there is new news that i think it was Sweden started demanding signal install a back door so they could spy on peoples data. So the company decided to leave as secure communications, especially from governments was their core principle.

If they know the rules of the game then not participating in calculated non interference with the republicans. Maybe to spite their bitterness? I would hope not. Maybe to enrich themselves? I would hope not. But the actions speak for them selves. I voted democrat consistently, mainly because i don’t want harm to come to the venerable. But the democrats are not a friend of progressives. They know that if the voting system was changed, they would be irrelevant, and so they stop that change from happening at local levels. Don’t think i can vote for democrats again after what they did. And it feels like they are playing chicken with their own voter base. The only path i see forward is to starve them of power until they are made to change.

The whole “get a warrant” thing is the issue i has, Snowden showed that its not a concern separating the government from your personal life. You are correct that the best that can be done to not give data. But your options are getting smaller. Signal has to leave their country of origin over this which is great advertisement for that service

The reason it was on the ballot was because those districts already had that. The leaders of the party killed it, thus meaningful change is prevented at the lower levels of governance to prop up their true ideals.

But that being said, you are right the democrats need to know that if they do not back progressive ideals, progressives will not vote for them. So until they do progressive policies, they should not be voted for.