So when are you planning on going out to actually prosecute that revolution you’re memeing about? Because I’m seeing a lot of memes and not a lot of stringing fascists up by their ankles.
Why ankles when it could be necks?
Morbid jokes aside. I agree, nothing will change without intense and painful protest or revolution. Peaceful protest only works when your opposition has a conscience.
“Me” is also one of the “grey NPCs” sooo
How’d “not voting to punish the dems” work last time?
voting only works if you also put in the work after the fact. When biden got elected, suddenly all the political fervor of the previous ~4 years vanished. And, assuming we get out of the current morass in one piece, it’s likely that all the uproar going on now will similarly disappear once “our guy” is in the oval office again.
Voting is the least any person can do, but without pounding the pavement and going out and doing the legwork, it’s just a bone they throw to us so we shut up. It happens every time, in every presidential election I can remember, and yet there are still people out here saying “but dae vote or dont complain!!:!:!:!:!”!“!”!?!!:!L!". It’s insulting.
There are few, if any, actually effective political movements that relied solely on officially approved political avenues to achieve anything. The Civil Rights movement in the US didn’t merely vote until the federal government deigned them worthy of being treated like human beings; they got out in the streets and demanded equality. The Indian Independence movement didn’t succeed by only appealing to the official colonial political apparatus using whatever methods were allowed them. They went and earned it.
So, whenever the liberal voting bloc is ready to stop letting themselves be politically infantilized by the electoral process, get at me.
It’s really weird to blame individuals for the failures of an organization. They can plan and change and strategize. The random voter your screaming at is a void. Stop being angry at the void, be angry at the thing that can actually change and do something.
“Resistance theater” is a great term.
It’s also a term describing the protest non-voters.
“I’m not owned, you’re owned!” as the poster turned into a corn cob
I’ve got a solution, get rid of Facebook and Fox News in your Maga people’s lives. Put parental controls on their TVs if you can and try to convince them that Fox News was bought out or something. It’s the constant deluge of bullshit that’s causing this.
MAX FISHER: The places where Facebook usage - not general internet usage, but specifically Facebook usage - was significantly above the average for Germany, the number of attacks on refugees was also well above the average.
SHAPIRO: That’s author Max Fisher, who writes about this research in his new book, “The Chaos Machine.” It’s not just that violence against refugees went up in places where people used Facebook a lot. The researchers also looked at outages - Facebook disruptions - and they found that when the platform went offline in a specific place, attacks against refugees in that community dropped.
FISHER: Extended time on social media is addictive, and it changes your behavior, and it changes the way that your mind works. And it does that in a consistent direction towards more outrage, more extreme ideas and a greater hatred of us versus them.
You could wipe every reactionary television station, radio station, magazine, social media, and newspaper off the face of the earth, but capitalism’s internal contradictions would make their resurgence inevitable.
So long as wages are suppressed, social safety nets withered, wealth inequality balloons, education decays, retirement age grows, and healthcare becomes unattainable, the backside into fascism is inevitable.
How do you think fascism took hold in Germany, and how was it mitigated?
Your analysis falls into the same trap as other liberal analysis - that our means of changing our politics is a function of “changing people’s minds” in “the marketplace of ideas”. Liberal analysis champions the notion that “ideas” are what turn the wheels of history. In reality, it was Soviet T34s blasting Nazis into mist that mitigated German fascism - not some completely unachievable and unpragmatic scheme to break into retirement homes across the country and put parental controls on grandpa’s favorite flavor of right wing pundit TV.
Just remember to always vote for the least worst, because there is no good, so that’s the best you can do. And fascists are always the worst, by a mile.
Me in my 20s: “NO EFF YOU! NO COMPROMISE!”
Me, tired, in my 30s: “1 vote for Kodos, please”
80% of Democrat voters: “yeah I know they’re owned by corporate interests and won’t actually make good on any of their promises, but if I don’t vote for them the Republicans will get in”
80% of Republican voters: “yeah I know the GOP is mostly about making themselves rich, but I hate Democrats more than I like the Republican Party”
Votescolds: don’t you dare think of trying to upset this perfect beautiful balance that will play out every election for the next thousand years. In fact if you even suggest it you’re probably a Russian psyop
Even your descriptions of how samey the voters are reveals a huge difference though. The nature of each “side” came through in your choice of words.
The first paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that openly wants to harm people all around you.
The second paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that you happen to hate.
The discussion almost feels moot at this point though, because SO much of the american populace has jumped at the chance to support the greater evil over and over.
So I guess the stance I’m taking is kind of a “¿Por Qué No Los Dos?”
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The system is horribly broken from down in the details of the voting system all the way to the hyper-capitalist type-A rat race culture that is incompatible with sustained human happiness. It needs to be replaced to “fix” things.
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As long as we have our same busted culture and constitution in place, then if there continue to be regular elections that seem consistent with past ones, and no shady motherfuckers are trying to link identities to ballots, then I am probably still going to go out and vote for the lesser evil.
Granted, we might already be past the point of no return where that vote won’t count or the election won’t happen. That’s why it’s a conditional statement.
Capitalism and greed are not what make us our best selves. But you had better believe I voted for “maybe we should at least catch up to Europe with regulating capitalism and protecting the people” instead of “fuck everything and fuck all y’all! Let’s try turning the world superpower into a death cult for a generation or two!”
The Harris administration is not where I REALLY want my country to be right now. Not if you’re going to give me the magic to actually fix things. But given the fork in the road between whatever Harris was bringing us and (gestures in all directions), I don’t see myself changing my mind.
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That’s just false though since Biden did do a lot of shit that he promised he would.
They both suck, but it’s not even close to the same.
Why lie?
fits the narrative that all politicians are bad and that no one should vote, even if it’s the most powerful force of change that ordinary people have at their disposal
Except there are chunks of Democrats whonare not corporate stooges who might eventually make things better.
Literally all of the Republicans are MAGA Nazis.
NGL memes like this just read like Doomer Cope and Fascist propaganda.
Uh… it’s either or? Doomer cope is what it openly is, while masquerading for faschism therefore being propaganda?
Oh, that’s because that’s exactly what it is
Are there any organizations taking direct action?
People usually don’t like throwing their lives away for a 1 off act of rebellion.
As individuals, I think the best course of action is to build a movement behind a common goal. Talk to the people around you. Talk to people online. Break up infighting and bring people together on their common grounds. When the movement becomes big enough, then everyone rebels simultaneously. One person rebelling is one life thrown away for no gains and one less person in the movement. Everyone rebelling together is what leads to real change.
Are there any organizations taking direct action?
That’s you. Organize and talk to others. You will eventually find others also organizing towards the same goal. Merge your efforts and you have a larger organization. Rinse and repeat.
The reason so many rich are financing these Neoliberal organizations to take charge is because they will never tell us to perform the necessary action to redistribute their wealth.
So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…
It’s called controlled opposition
So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…
It’s not one or the other. You can organize independently of the neoliberals.
You could not even google it – like … how … What did they do to you guys…?
There’s usually one or two people actually, but they don’t usually help their cause as much as they’d like to. That guy who missed Trump didn’t help anyone do anything except make trump almost a martyr. I had a friend who told me that he knew Trump would win after that. While I don’t think in absolutes and wasn’t as sure as him (and this was not a maga guy of the rails, this is a calm man who had more to lose than me) he was right that trump did win. Most people who assassinate a president or candidate don’t get the change they want.
They are always mentally ill. Of course they don’t. When you are over that edge it’s clear that there isn’t a whole lot of reality and humanity left in a person. Any murderer that has been analyzed or recovered explicitly mentions overriding critical thought to be able to do those deeds.
Yeah… Like, I agree a lot of the liberal “resistance” is useless but also every time I see a leftist online advocating for revolution, I’m wondering when they’re gonna kick it off.
People who are actively working for change in concrete ways don’t often call attention to themselves by posting about it on public social media. If nobody in power is working to silence you, you’re probably participating in controlled opposition and not much else.
How incredibly convenient. Or paranoid.
It ain’t gonna happen until a critical mass of the population has nothing left to lose. As it stands now, revolution sounds great to me, but getting arrested or killed leaves my family impoverished and possibly homeless. Being a cog in the machine is a preferable fate
Civil-War/Rebellions/Revolution’s are massively deadly and don’t frequently resolve in the revolutionaries favor. Sometimes someone worse comes along to fill the vacuum, sometimes the state just gets to justify clamping down harder if it wins.
Dude… why you gotta call me out like that? I was perfectly content being an online slacktivist, griping about shit I’m not actually going to do anything about and now you’ve ruined it 😠
Eat poo no matter who!
Yah I don’t have solutions for near-term successes because we’re now living in motherfucking consequence.
Our liberal appeals, our lefty identity politics, our scolding and appealing and hand-wringing about all the wrong problems to focus on has cost us everything and I have spent the last decade warning everyone that this was going to happen.
But sure, go ahead and keep sharing memes on Lemmy about how bad orange man is, keep reposting witty twitter exchanges and keep deluding yourselves into thinking “any day now, America is going to wake up and DO SOMETHING” while the situation gets progressively worse.
You don’t expect some great plan for getting out of “consequence” you try to avoid it from happening in the first place. A lot of us were screaming the entire last decade that we need to mobilize FAST to get grassroots candidates installed in local and state seats, that we need to protest not brands for not being woke, but we needed to protest EVERYTHING and start hoarding and saving money broadly. You lost the left because the left was about scolding the right and not mobilizing people against oligarchy and corporations. You made it about inclusivity and fringe issues when it should have been about workers. Once you secure the workers and production, you can then fix the social issues… I don’t understand how you all thought you were going to fix social issues while the elite capitalists were running the show.
Sure though, go ahead and blame the Democrats, blame Obama, blame dumb hicks who have no education or consistent values and just go along with whatever emotional narrative feels good to them at the moment- you know, instead of USING them like the tools they are. We could have done SO MUCH.
Right now, America’s remaining middle-class liberal population are like a ripe nest of honeypot ants out in the Sahara. There are massive forces looking at that ripe basket of wealth waiting for any and every opportunity to chop into that nest and start scooping out whatever they can before it’s all gone, and it’s going fast. That’s where we’re fucking at right now. The middle-class is being raped and gutted and we’re here on the sidelines saying “Is our platform inclusive enough?”
Fuck all ya’ll. You were dumb and this is what happens when you’re dumb. First you checked out and didn’t care what was happening, then when you started to care, you just divided in a thousand splinters arguing about the dumbest shit imaginable for performative Lefty Points that can be redeemed at your local concentration camp for the benefit of feeling smug as you wait for deportation.
But sure, go ahead and keep sharing memes on Lemmy about how bad orange man is
It’s not an orange man bad meme. It’s a liberals ain’t doing nothing meme, which is actually a true and valid problem. We have to find ways to sabot the gears of the autocratic oppression machine. As Helen Cox Richardson notes, if you got an artistic bone in your body, get to artting!
Also Knitting Cult Lady did a video ( on YouTube about how Orange Man’s orange makeup is the same thing as Queen Elizabeth I’s make-up (white leaded paint, which, yes, did poison her) to signal that she is a living god. In the queen’s case it was a means to get England to recognize a woman as a legit ruler (rather than pressuring her to find a husband to take over).
Orange Man does it because he wants to be a cult leader (which is essentially the same thing), and we don’t find his facepaint absurd enough to throw him from his podium or think of him as a clown.
This is how we know human beings are the evolutionary equivalent of a lowest-common-bidder project, the minimum amount of reasoning necessary to build a rocket and touch the moon. Otherwise, we are still brutal animals, and apes as silly as the ones in the jungle.
He’s wearing the face paint for the same reason 18th century French aristocrats did- because he has syphilis. You have got to be joking with the “divine symbolism” take, he’s an intellectual basket case, he’s nowhere close to being capable of that level of symbolic ostentation, and neither would his base be capable of making that connection, that’s just dumb.
I don’t even take issue with this meme in this post, it’s actually closer to reality than anything.
It’s the constant, daily “LOOK AT WHAT HE SAID AND LOOK AT WHAT THIS PERSON SAID IN REPLY” or other kinds of fake, delusional satisfaction-porn that we all spread and pat ourselves on the back for that bothers me. I don’t mind the propaganda, we need everything we have, but I don’t like how it’s being circulated in places where it’s just reinforcing people’s belief that we’re actually scoring points.
I feel strongly that if the average LemmyLefty were to see just how strong the country’s conservative base really is, and just how tuned-out and apathetic the average American voter is, any how many there really are, they would despair the way I have and sound just as angry and cynical as me.
And then hopefully, after the despair passes, they will start tackling it seriously like the real problem that it is, from a more realistic ground-floor than letting themselves get distracted over every identity-politics hit-piece and emotional appeal designed to make people lose rational thought.
Everything you claim should be done is what Bernie Sanders supported and that got us nowhere.
It’s really easy to get up on your high horse and claim that leftist identity politics is the problem instead of looking at the systemic failures of American democracy. Lobbying, Gerrymandering, media outlet control, anti-intellectual propaganda, voter disenfranchisement, an underfunded education system, the electoral college, a packed supreme court, etc.
This isn’t a case of ‘if you can stop being righteous and just hate gay people for a moment we could have had universal health care.’ This is a case of the democratic process unravelling in its end stages as the popular candidate lost the vote four times in the seven presidential elections.
Everything you claim should be done is what Bernie Sanders supported and that got us nowhere.
Imagine if Bernie just gave up the first time he lost an election, he would have bowed out in 1972 when he only got 2.1% of the vote in a Vermont Senate special election.
Instead he’s been bang on consistent with his views for going on 60 goddamn years now. The rest of the left could learn a lot from that.
Never forget that thousands lined up to vote for Bernie during covid, putting their health at risk and he ultimately… dropped out.
Real leadership quality there. I’m sure his candidacy would have been enough to stop the fascists.
if you can stop being righteous and just hate gay people for a moment we could have had universal health care.
What’s really sunk is this widespread, infectious binary thinking. It’s not even natural, it’s a product of media and propaganda.
If you all think “focusing on workers” as a priority is the same as “hate gay people” then we have no hope. It means our minds are not capable of holding simultaneous ideas or making priorities anymore. It fucking sucks and I don’t know how to explain things anymore to people in ways that don’t trigger this kind of “all or nothing” “love or hate” “black and white” thinking mode, and it’s getting worse.
You wanted equality? Then you should have looked at how the average dumbass white, straight american views it… as a secondary issue. Then used their primary issues to leverage our society to the issues we wanted to see. Now we lose everything because we couldn’t work with the problem we had and instead tried to solve all the problems at once. It’s dumb and sometimes I want to give up and let you all have the fascist hellhole nightmare you all seemed to secretly want so you can continue to be victims of the establishment and not have to get off your asses and DO something for your community.
Uh… Just force 99% to work like slaves, pretend there’s scarcity by not allowing health or food to some humans to spur the shit out of the parents, while they are looking away, teach them and their kids and their kids continually that there’s scarcity and we have to work insanely much to survive. Then be offended when equality, the literal core issue, that you are all treated like trash by a higher hierarchy and for no reason… there are maybe 40 people you need to conquer but nah, focus on your fucking status game, focus on fucking if a guy wants cock??? Then say wow, so you care so much about blah blah? Literally the objective of equality is no it is cool that you hyper focus but also oops solve problems solve health solve happiness solve productivity solve fucking not burning the boreal and slaying the entire human race… Equality isn’t a secondary issue… its a root issue.
That’s a little hypocritical of you to call this “widespread, infectious binary thinking” when I was pointing this out in your comment, not advocating for it.
You’re faulting liberals for stifling class warfare through engaging in identity politics, when you said so yourself that it doesn’t have to be either or.
Identity politics isn’t the enemy of class warfare, it’s corporate interests, lobbying, and billionaires, and they want you to do exactly what you are doing now, which is to get liberals to gatekeep each other while they laugh at low tax rates.
That’s a little hypocritical of you to call this “widespread, infectious binary thinking” when I was pointing this out in your comment, not advocating for it.
I was saying that you pointing it out in my comment was the binary, black and white attitude. I say: “We on the left have been tackling this problem wrong, most American’s don’t care about the issues we keep hitting them with.” To which Lefty Clone #409687 says “How can you hate marginalized people so much you’re willing to turn your back on them???”
It sounds exactly the same to me as “You want to help children in Gaza? How can you empower anti-semitism???” In that, one has nothing to do with the other. It’s an artificial binary used to keep us from getting anywhere. Yah, we did too much scolding and identity politics and abstract worries that people don’t see… Covid should have been our wake-up call that people’s minds have changed or melted out their ears, we should have focused on issues that average americans actually care about, we should have leveraged their selfish worries and used their fear to fight the system that wants to send us all to camps. Then we could have done better and pushed our desires for a just and equitable world back on stage and got that shit protected… we were even making progress on it for a little while. Then everyone started falling for the same distractions.
It was always going to happen. The universe is Entropic, and this is how that manifests. There is no escaping decay, our fathers had a good run.
You fundamentally misunderstand entropy and what that word is used for
It’s kind of like the difference between dying at 35 because you didn’t tie your shoes and tripped on your front steps, versus dying at 85 shaking your fist at the world and saying “I did all I could do!”
If nothing else, I am beyond angry what they did to NASA and the 50+ missions that just got scrapped. I wanted to see the surfaces of other worlds if nothing else at all.
The only real resolution is the one people don’t want to admit to publicly. They can’t even write the words out and publish it. It’s not even a game of chicken. Nobody lives forever. History has seen the correct treatment to what he is in the past. It should be done now as well.
Unmute this meme immediately!
You know that you can strategically vote liberal and do direct action, right?
Well ackshually felons aren’t allowed to vote
You know that you can strategically vote liberal
There would have to be a strategy in voting against your own interests. It’s actively voting for bad things so worse things maybe don’t happen? That’s your strategy?
Correct. At present, the outcomes at the ballot box are “bad” and “worse”. Of the two, “bad” is preferable. “Good” will require non-electoral direct action.
How many decades of voting for the lesser of two evils do you people need before you realize that is just allowing things to get progressively worse?
How many decades of turning up your nose at the lesser evil do you people need before you realize that just makes things worse faster?
Lmao.
“We’re the good guys because we’re making things worse more slowly” is one hell of a self report.
If it gets blue MAGA libs to actually start doing something productive instead of whining that they can’t ignore politics anymore, then I’m on team acclerationism.
This wont work, the libs realize you dragged them into the mud (because you guys keep saying that’s your intent) and view you as an enemy that is working to bring about their suffering. That’s exactly why its so common for people to complain about “protest non-voters” in the first place. They already use their middle class resources to simply flee or batten down the hatches & hide, and leave the poor and minorities behind to suffer. Some small portion of them seem to even (in desperation) side with or play nice with fascists to survive.
Non-libs who are also non-accelerationists are mostly just going to grow cynical and bitter. They aren’t going to throw their lives away for a violent revolution they did not sign up for.
Accelerationism is aggressively stupid and it will always fail. You wont get enough people willing to work with you to start a revolution when its obvious you dragged people into hell with you. You can’t create the conditions artificially. You just have a bunch of scared and angry people bickering and when they can afford it, fleeing.
So just to clarify, you’re perfectly fine sacrificing the millions of vulnerable people who will suffer and die under accelerationism, in exchange for the gamble that maybe your ideology might get more popular. And you have the gall to call libs “blue MAGA”?
This isn’t a game, people have already died because of this. Maybe crawl out of your bubble long enough to think about the outcomes of your gambits.
Considering libs, much like MAGA, want everyone who they think is on their side to fall in line and vote/support their chosen genocidal fascist and attack anyone who criticizes them by viewing them as the enemy (whether it be calling them an undercover agent from the other side or working with some foreign nation to make them lose), I don’t see a difference. We saw it last year with everyone that criticized Harris and we’re already seeing it again with anyone that criticizes Newsom. Hell I’ve even seen some of them doing it with criticism towards Jeffries.
Maybe y’all should do something productive instead of making things worse.
Who is “y’all”? What exactly do you think is “something productive” and what are you doing, besides making things worse through electoral misinformation?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. But sure, y’all voting for evil helps too.
Look where that got us. It’s a bad strategy and needs to be retired.
Is it truly a bad strategy? Or is there much less direct action than what’s needed?
It being a bad strategy and also the best available strategy are not mutually exclusive. No presently actionable strategy has a better outcome.
So there’s no strategy that has a better outcome than Trump’s second term? You sure about that?
What? Trump’s second term is largely the result of not strategically voting for lesser evil.
What alternative, actionable strategy would have led to a different outcome? Actionable means “Everyone votes for the same third party” doesn’t count. So go on, what was the alternative strategy that had any chance whatsoever of succeeding?
I think you’re missing the point. The strategy out of the DNC going on two decades has been “our horrible candidate is less horrible than their candidate,” and it took a worldwide pandemic and thousands of deaths for it to work once.
They need to stop and find someone who isn’t horrible if they ever want to win again. That or just let the world burn and hope it’s only the neolibs that survive. I wouldn’t bet on that myself.
A tankie will never do either of those two things
Neither will a lib. They’ll “strategically” vote for some gross fascist and then directly act to have brunch. Same thing as a tankie basically. Just different imperial branding.
Imagine having no knowledge of more than a lifetime of legislation and still being so sure you know the DNC’s true colors.
EDIT: You know what? I’ll make it easier for you
PRESENTATION BY MR. RICHARD GREENE Nov 2022
Category 1: 13 Bills Passed By Democrats in The House but blocked by Republicans in The Senate
1.“The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?
Dems: YES 218, NO 1
Reps: YES 2, NO 208
/2. “The Right to Contraception Act”. Should Americans have a legal right to purchase contraception?
Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
Reps: YES 8, NO 195
/3. “The Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act”. Should the oil industry face penalties for price gouging?
Dems: YES 217, NO 4
Reps: YES 0, NO 203
/4. “The Assault Weapons Ban”. Should military style assault weapons be illegal for sale or purchase?
Dems: YES 215, NO 5
Reps: YES 2, NO 208
/5. “The Bipartisan Background Checks Act”. Should we expand background checks to cover all gun sales?
Dems: YES 219, NO 1
Reps: YES 8, NO 202
/6. “The Paycheck Fairness Act”. Should women receive equal pay for equal work in America?
Dems: YES: 216, NO: 0
Reps: YES: 1, NO: 210
/7. “The Marijuana Opportunity, Reinvestment and Expungement Act”. Should cannabis be decriminalized federally and have past non-violent arrests and convictions expunged?
Dems: YES 217, NO 2
Reps: YES 3, NO 202
/8. “The John R. Lewis Voting Rights Enhancement Act”. Should we enforce the provisions of The 1965 Voting Rights Act ensuring equal treatment for all voters?
Dems: YES 219, NO 0
Reps: YES 0, NO 212
/9. ” The Respect for Marriage Act”. Should the Constitutional Right of same sex marriage declared by The Supreme Court be codified into American law?
Dems: YES 220, NO 0
Reps: YES 47, NO 157
/10. “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act”. Should there be consequences for police for discriminatory and illegal policing?
Dems: YES 219, NO 2
Reps: YES 1, NO 210
/11. “The American Dream and Promise Act”. Should “Dreamers” who came to The US when they were young have a path to earn citizenship?
Dems: YES 219, NO 0
Reps:: YES 9, NO 197
/12. “The Affordable Insulin Now Act”. Should the price of pharmaceutical insulin be capped at $35?
Dems: YES 220, NO 0
Reps: YES 12, NO 193
/13. “Child Care for Working Families Act” (part of “Build Back Better) Should the government subsidize the cost of child care for certain working mothers and families?
Dems: YES 220, NO 1
Reps: YES 0, NO 212
/14. “The Violence Against Women Act”: Should the government have and fund comprehensive responses to domestic violence, sexual assault dating violence and stalking?
Dems: YES 215, NO 0
Reps: YES 29, NO 172
/15. BUILD BACK BETTER: In addition to Affordable Insulin and Child Care (above):Hearing Aids for Seniors, Child Tax Credit, Universal Pre-K
Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
Reps: YES 1, NO 212
2022 Midterm Election Note: Most of the above bills WILL pass in early 2023 if voters re-elect a Democratic Majority in The House and #JUST2MORE Democrats in The Senate. None of these bills will be brought up for a vote in The House if Republicans regain the Majority and either Kevin McCarthy or Donald Trump is Speaker of The House. Republicans need #JUST5MORE Republicans to regain the Majority.
Category 2: 3 Democratic Bills that became law with UNANIMOUS support by Democrats and minor support from Republicans in The Senate
/16. The Honoring Our PACT Act”Should Veterans receive health care for serious injuries received from “burn pit” pollution while fighting in our wars?
Dems: YES 222, NO 0
Reps: YES 34, NO 174
/17. “The Invest In America Act’ (Infrastructure Bill). An historic, massive infrastructure bill for America
Dems: YES: 219, NO: 0
Reps: YES: 2, NO 201
/18. “The CHIPS and Science Act. Should we invest heavily in an American micro-processor (Chips) industry to compete with China?
Dems: YES 219, NO 0
Reps: YES 24, NO 187
/19. “The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act”. Should the government fund mental health, school safety and crisis intervention programs and incentivize states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System?
Dems: YES 220, NO 0
Reps: YES 14, NO 193
Category 3: 1 Democratic Bill that became law with ZERO Republican support in The Senate
/20. “The Inflation Reduction Act”. The largest bill to fight climate change in history, reductions in prescription drugs, a 15% minimum tax on major corporations (and many other things)
Dems: YES 220, NO 1
Reps: YES 0, NO 212
2022 Midterm Election Note: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans have openly declared that THEIR legislative priorities include none of the above. Instead they will say they will focus on: a) Impeaching President Biden, b) Impeaching Merrick Garland, c) Investigating Hunter Biden and d) Making all abortions illegal throughout the United States.
The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.
Libs literally think that spamming their endless losses and fascist collaborations is an argument. Please post about more issues that libs and fash collaborated on. Big winners.
The post’s criticism is that the DNC is ineffective at standing up to fascists, not that there’s nothing desirable in their proposed legislation. Proposing laws that are guaranteed to be shot down is not an effective way of standing up to fascists.
The post is literally an image that has a two headed creature which is “fascists” and “Democrats doing resistance theatre”.
That’s not a mild fucking criticism, it’s like calling Mr. Rogers a nazi gestapo accomplice because he didn’t wash his feet hard enough.
Dems are literally supporting a genocide. It’s pretty effing gross to compare them to Mr Rogers.
Dems literally distributed tens of millions of lbs of food they delivered on a floating dock they built, via landroutes, and via airdrop. Dems literally withheld large bombs from the out of control Netanyahu admin. Dems consistently held the message of peace and ceasefire in exchange for hostages being returned.
Netanyahu literally endorsed Trump and Trump’s Pete Hegseth is literally promoting death or exodus of every Palestiniain.
You care about Palestinians? Volunteer for the DNC.
Dems literally distributed tens of millions of lbs of food they delivered on a floating dock they built, via landroutes, and via airdrop.
A floating dock that was operational for a grand total of 20 fucking days, land routes where aid trucks never reached their destination, and airdrops that all the experienced aid agencies referred to as a “grotesque distraction,” said “could never deliver the volume or the quality,” and are “expensive, inefficient, and can even kill starving civilians.”
Dems literally withheld large bombs from the out of control Netanyahu admin.
I’m certain the Palestinians are very grateful to have been killed with many smaller bombs rather than a few very big bombs. What a world of difference it makes.
Dems consistently held the message of peace and ceasefire in exchange for hostages being returned.
All while Israel refused to negotiate for the hostages’ return, even going so far as to kill the Palestinian negotiators, and always being the one to break ceasefires.
Performative, ineffective, insulting “attempts” at delivering aid when Biden could have ended the genocide with a single fucking phonecall by conditioning defense spending to Israel on opening a humanitarian corridor and threatening sanctions if Israel continues violating international law. And I know for a fact that he could have done so because RONALD FUCKING REAGAN DID EXACTLY THAT in August 1982 when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut. You cannot call yourself a leftist or even a liberal when you’re getting outclassed by Ronald Reagan.
I don’t think what Biden did was good enough. If it were me I wouldn’t have stopped at your suggestion, I’d have sent in the US military and deposed Netanyahu personally citing Israel’s own laws, international criminal justice, and defense of an ally nation under duress.
But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.
But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.
How, in all of the interactions I’ve had with you, have I ever given the impression that I’m justifying Israel’s genocide against the Palestinians? I’ve been ruthlessly criticizing Biden and the Democratic party’s complicity in the genocide and I agree that he should have gone as far as to depose Netanyahu by force if it came to it. I only mentioned conditioning defense spending and sanctions because that’s all it would have taken, and the most that could be reasonably expected of a neoliberal ghoul like Biden.
And I don’t know what you’re trying to communicate with that chart. Perhaps you’re trying to use the fact that Trump is far worse as some sort of gotcha, as if I don’t already know that.
The Dems are doing so little to maintain the political norms of our society that they appear to be ok with them changing. They look like they’re just trying to make sure they each individually get to keep their seat. If that’s in a sham legislature, that’s fine for them. Bribes might be legal soon, so they’re getting a sweet deal.
Republicans are controlling 3 branches. At this point the flight needs to come from us.
The Dems have had 48 or less senators for over a decade, you might as well blame the Jackson Five for their innaction.
Poor babies.
Pretty sure neither the J5 or Mr Rogers actively supported genocide. You’re a silly, gross person.
Ah look they finally got the vote manipulation bots in here to reverse all the ratios, I wonder what the delay was about?
EDIT: To clarify, the Republican Loving Tankie bots have clearly been here.
Of course, can’t be that people legitimately disagree with you.
How do you think the meme got popular enough for you to see it in the first place?
You know what, you’ve convinced me. Im gonna go grab a beer and relax. Dems have done everything that can be done. There is no point in trying to prevent a third Trump term. It was gonna happen no matter what anyway.
If we weren’t watching a replay of the early 1930’s, it would be funny that Democratic ideologues still pretend that Dems are powerless when Donald has had the same amount of power as Biden and Obama for eight months and he’s completely remade American culture and government.
The problem isn’t power. The problem is Dems simply don’t care as along as their personal wealth continues to increase unimpeded.
Courts keep reversing Trump’s actions because they’re illegal, they also reversed several of Biden’s executive orders such as student loan forgiveness.
If your idea of preventing a third trump term was to spread Anti-DNC Propaganda then yes, please sit this one out.
Totally, man.
I’ll await your next sternly-worded letter.
Resist.
If your idea of preventing fascism is supporting fascists, then please sit it out.
I would expect politicians to have better ideas than the ineffective shit they have been doing this year so far. Considering that I don’t believe that politicians at the national level are all actually that dumb, it has to be on purpose. There’s certainly DNC politicians who are sincere about wanting avoid fascism, but they aren’t the ones who run the party.
Better ideas get filibustered. They could remove filibustered but since they’ve had 48 or less senate seats since 2013-2015 congress a literal decade ago that also means the GOP could potentially pass laws without a filibuster.
What we need is a strong DNC majority like we had in 2010-2012 which expanded healthcare to tens of millions of people and proposed tax reforms that reduced individual rates to 10% and raised corporate and foreign effective rates to 25% (many companies pay 0%
Instead we just reelected the fucking apeass bastard who keeps cutting taxes for the rich.
And have people learned anything from all this? NO! THEY’RE ACTUALLY GETTING DUMBER AS TIME GOES ON.
Dems had the presidency for four years. They had Congress for two years. With that same amount of power Donald has accomplished everything he wants.
Did you notice those special sessions Abbott just did in Texas?
The US president has the same power. He could have kept Congress in session for four years straight until he got what he wanted by sheer force of will.
But that assumes he gives a shit.
First of all
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Texas house and senate were also solid red.
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POTUS can’t keep congress in session because that would require power of the purse which belongs solely to the house.
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I JUST SENT YOU A LIST OF THINGS THEY ACCOMPLISHED DESPITE THEIR 50:50 MAJORITY, NOT COUNTING ANY EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
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Don’t pretend like the DNC aren’t to blame for not getting enough votes. Look at how hard they fumbled the last national election, and how they’re treating Mamdani.
You mean… just being joyful about not being able to afford food didn’t fix your entire life?
I’m shocked.
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Nice ad hominem.
Policy doesn’t matter if you’re not effective at actually getting elected, and by now we’re kinda beyond the point where the fascists can be voted out.
Which of the bills you listed were about resisting fascism? I noticed two that were about actively capitulating to it (the ones aimed at disarming the populace), but zero that were about resisting it.
Fascism feeds on desperate and angry people. Economic reforms pre-empt fascism, while neoliberal economic policy leads inevitably towards fascism. Come on, this is basic Marxian analysis.
Expunging the records of millions of marijuana offenses would also restore voting rights, and the American Dream and Promise Act would give voting rights to more people who lived their lives in this country.
It’s funny that you mention the Aussault Weapons Ban, you realize Aussault Weapons were banned once before and Republicans allowed it to expire? Do you feel just as strongly about Firearms not requiring any background checks like Every Republican seems to think? Those are both in the list.
What about the George Floyd namesake bill that would have created more avenues to try police for their crimes? You don’t like that one? You feel bad for those poor police? I’m just trying to guage what level of NRA and Military Industrial Complex shillery you do or do not condone.
Edit: Let’s meet in the middle, you can put a scope on a magnum or semi-auto rifle and maybe kill 5 to 30 people before reloading, is that still too repressive for you?
You really don’t get it, do you?
We are rapidly approaching the time in which it will be necessary for the militia to defend the United States against a domestic enemy, if we aren’t there already. For that, they need to be just as well-armed, up to and including burst-fire AR-15s.
Assault rifles are the type of firearms most worthy of Constitutional protection, not least, specifically because they are the last defense against tyranny. The more useful a weapon is in a military tactical context, the more I want the citizenry to have it.
The “2nd amendment is important for a militia to protect us from tyranny” crowd is more ineffective than the Democrats.
Your AR-15s are gonna do fuck all to tanks and UAVs.
And you think Russia and China are just going to sit back and watch the USA build up from the ashes after you get massacred by some inbreds?
the vc and mujahideen and Taliban stopped the greatest imperial forces in the world with small arms.
I think we all just wish the Democrats would be as willing to win at all costs for the people as Republicans are with winning at all costs for corporations and the rich. Sure the Democrat and Republican parties are different, no doubt, but they both take money and capitulate to the same rich people. I would be a lot happier if they worked a lot harder to get money out of politics.
Care to explain why the same rich people have polar opposite policy stances depending on who wins?
Because the state serves capitalism and none of their “issues” actually threatens any capitalist at all. When it does, you see both “parties” grovelling in unison.
Oh look another DB0 Tankie what a surprise.
because they hedge their bets. they don’t have morals they just adjust themselves to remain rich in any morality system
By taxing themselves more and paying for services that enrich the lives of lower citizens, which is also evil somehow?
if you think they’re operating at a net loss for our net benefit, your either one of them and are doing the mental gymnastics required to move like they do or you just don’t actually look at them with even the minimal scrutiny.
but sure, let’s pretend they don’t fix policies to always win at the stock market or have accountants to minimize their taxes. only making policies that are mutually beneficial for the upper class is still being a shitty politician who is not serving the people.
I’m saying we have a choice between a system that takes from them to distribute fairly to all and a system that creates an absolute authority wherein human lives have no value aside from what they produce.
Make the right choice, volunteer for the DNC, contact your representatives and ask them to shut down the government next reconciliation. The only way to save hundreds of millions in this country from injustice and protect the people for the longterm future is to remove the GOP from power via the DNC.
it’s a false dichotomy, and I’m a little too old and jaded to fall for it again. I’ve seen them pull too much shit to still believe they actually want an end to fascism.
I write blue reps and they say “thank you for your opinion” and then they still play nice with fascists. and when anyone tries to hold them accountable there’s always a clown going “left unity! stick to the script, we’re the only option you have”. if that doesn’t sound like a rug pull to you, I think some of the paint got in your ears
So you’re saying the billionaires are controlling the entire Democratic party, and making them pass progressive reforms that help workers, and that’s somehow going to make them richer?
The simpler explanation is that they don’t control the entire party, just a few key people at high level positions. They tell those key people to sabotage the election strategy so that the progressive idealists at the lower levels can’t pass genuine reforms. That’s the controlled opposition strategy.
The controlled opposition strategy doesn’t work if the people vote D.
What are the progressive reforms that Democrats passed which would classify as a big loss for billionaires and a big win for the common folk? Democrats have to pass some incrementally progressive bills otherwise they risk losing seats to more aggressively progressive alternatives. A party which only makes small incremental improvements is the ideal case scenario for billionaires in a context where you have a two party system one of which is “the progressive side”.
Sure a president like Trump which lets them loose so long as they pay tribute is much better for them but it is not like all their non-ethical practices and monopolies suddenly vanish with the democrat party in charge.
so you’re saying
just stop right there. you’re an adult. try to talk like one.
unfortunately if your leadership is compromised, your party is compromised. As an example, here’s special golden boy Joe Biden moving congress to break a strike. Of course it’s just easier to buy him than it is to buy the whole party. Many will toe the line for free.
My benevolent brother in Christ above, the DNC is the controlled opposition. They are functioning as intended
For the record, I am against fascism. I voted against it.
There. I will now await full credit for fighting fascism. After all, I’ve now done as much as the Democrats have.
Edit: actually, I think I’ve voted against fascism more than Schumer has in the last year, so I guess I should get more credit.
Volunteer for the DNC, contact your reps (and Schumer) and ask them to shut down the government next budget reconciliation. Then maybe I won’t assume you’re acting on behalf of Trump, Russia, or China spreading Anti-DNC propaganda.
If you want better from the Democrats, you’re anti-American!
If your method of wanting better from the Democrats is letting the Republicans keep power until everything is your ideal, you’re assumed to be an anti-American operative.
FTFY
letting the Republicans keep power
lmao My vote doesn’t matter at all where I live. Do you expect me to storm DC and take them out? Grow up.
Normal people have absolutely zero power over this gross fascist system.
It’s wild to me how someone can say “I voted against fascism” and still be accused of “letting Republicans keep power”
That’s exactly what they want, if you don’t vote for their approved candidate, you’re against everything they stand for.
No, what they want is for everyone to stop shitting on their candidate. It doesn’t matter (to them) who the candidate is or if you vote for them - if you’re drawing attention to how shitty they are then you’re just as culpable for their loss as the opposition.
The emperor has no clothes.
TBF you can vote green and say you voted against Trump but that still means you let Republicans keep power, for example. You never said who you voted for.
It also doesn’t really matter if you claim to vote against it via secret ballot and then you turn around and accuse the DNC of being an arm of the newage nazi party.
‘It doesnt matter how you vote if you end up speaking ill of my party’
Ok bud.
America has been anti-me since I was a child, so
So you’re literally a Republican?
Yea that’s fair. We aren’t very kind to Russian and Chinese agents until maybe recently when you bought a few of our politicians.
By claiming the DNC are an extension of the fascist party you are asking for better fascism?
Nice mental gymnastics there bud, gold medal.
Holy shit you’re fucking stupid.
I dont block them just so that they dont get to say their stupidity without some reasonable response, and give them the downvotes they deserve but thats finitebanjo for you.
Near infinite free time from their post history and none of it spent on expanding or growing as a person.
That’s banjo. 3rd grade reading levels but pretends to be around college level.
Now with source and
better structure
Category 1: 13 Bills Passed By Democrats in The House but blocked by Republicans in The Senate
- “The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?
- Dems: YES 218, NO 1
- Reps: YES 2, NO 208
- “The Right to Contraception Act”. Should Americans have a legal right to purchase contraception?
- Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
- Reps: YES 8, NO 195
- “The Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act”. Should the oil industry face penalties for price gouging?
- Dems: YES 217, NO 4
- Reps: YES 0, NO 203
- “The Assault Weapons Ban”. Should military style assault weapons be illegal for sale or purchase?
- Dems: YES 215, NO 5
- Reps: YES 2, NO 208
- “The Bipartisan Background Checks Act”. Should we expand background checks to cover all gun sales?
- Dems: YES 219, NO 1
- Reps: YES 8, NO 202
- “The Paycheck Fairness Act”. Should women receive equal pay for equal work in America?
- Dems: YES: 216, NO: 0
- Reps: YES: 1, NO: 210
- “The Marijuana Opportunity, Reinvestment and Expungement Act”. Should cannabis be decriminalized federally and have past non-violent arrests and convictions expunged?
- Dems: YES 217, NO 2
- Reps: YES 3, NO 202
- “The John R. Lewis Voting Rights Enhancement Act”. Should we enforce the provisions of The 1965 Voting Rights Act ensuring equal treatment for all voters?
- Dems: YES 219, NO 0
- Reps: YES 0, NO 212
- “The Respect for Marriage Act”. Should the Constitutional Right of same sex marriage declared by The Supreme Court be codified into American law?
- Dems: YES 220, NO 0
- Reps: YES 47, NO 157
- “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act”. Should there be consequences for police for discriminatory and illegal policing?
- Dems: YES 219, NO 2
- Reps: YES 1, NO 210
- “The American Dream and Promise Act”. Should “Dreamers” who came to The US when they were young have a path to earn citizenship?
- Dems: YES 219, NO 0
- Reps: YES 9, NO 197
- “The Affordable Insulin Now Act”. Should the price of pharmaceutical insulin be capped at $35?
- Dems: YES 220, NO 0
- Reps: YES 12, NO 193
- “Child Care for Working Families Act” (part of “Build Back Better”) Should the government subsidize the cost of child care for certain working mothers and families?
- Dems: YES 220, NO 1
- Reps: YES 0, NO 212
- “The Violence Against Women Act”: Should the government have and fund comprehensive responses to domestic violence, sexual assault dating violence and stalking?
- Dems: YES 215, NO 0
- Reps: YES 29, NO 172
- BUILD BACK BETTER: In addition to Affordable Insulin and Child Care (above): Hearing Aids for Seniors, Child Tax Credit, Universal Pre-K
- Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
- Reps: YES 1, NO 212
2022 Midterm Election Note: Most of the above bills WILL pass in early 2023 if voters re-elect a Democratic Majority in The House and #JUST2MORE Democrats in The Senate. None of these bills will be brought up for a vote in The House if Republicans regain the Majority and either Kevin McCarthy or Donald Trump is Speaker of The House. Republicans need #JUST5MORE Republicans to regain the Majority.
Category 2: 3 Democratic Bills that became law with UNANIMOUS support by Democrats and minor support from Republicans in The Senate
- “The Honoring Our PACT Act” Should Veterans receive health care for serious injuries received from “burn pit” pollution while fighting in our wars?
- Dems: YES 222, NO 0
- Reps: YES 34, NO 174
- “The Invest In America Act” (Infrastructure Bill). An historic, massive infrastructure bill for America
- Dems: YES: 219, NO: 0
- Reps: YES: 2, NO 201
- “The CHIPS and Science Act”. Should we invest heavily in an American micro-processor (Chips) industry to compete with China?
- Dems: YES 219, NO 0
- Reps: YES 24, NO 187
- “The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act”. Should the government fund mental health, school safety and crisis intervention programs and incentivize states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System?
- Dems: YES 220, NO 0
- Reps: YES 14, NO 193
Category 3: 1 Democratic Bill that became law with ZERO Republican support in The Senate
- “The Inflation Reduction Act”. The largest bill to fight climate change in history, reductions in prescription drugs, a 15% minimum tax on major corporations (and many other things)
- Dems: YES 220, NO 1
- Reps: YES 0, NO 212
2022 Midterm Election Note: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans have openly declared that THEIR legislative priorities include none of the above. Instead they will say they will focus on:
- Impeaching President Biden,
- Impeaching Merrick Garland,
- Investigating Hunter Biden and
- Making all abortions illegal throughout the United States.
The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.
- “The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?
The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.
The Uruk-hai and Democratic Party are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy. The Uruk-hai are burning down cities, eating people and salting the earth, and the Democratic Party has consistently voted against every single one of those policies.
The Dem leadership is trying to lose on purpose so they won’t have to pass all these progressive reforms that their representatives want to push, and the tankies are helping them
Keep fighting the good fight. A lot of folks nowadays have grown disenfranchised with the democratic model because they aren’t seeing their particular flavor of progress. We must continue to guide them away from the sugar high that is dictatorial power and channel their energy into the fruits and veggies that is the democratic process. It can bear fruit if we nurture it.
We no longer have a democratic process. The only logical democratic process is to kill billionaires. Peter Theil not only wants to create a dystopian control, but he wants to literally end the human race. We need militia.
when your party is this full of stock market sheisters, woke-washed civil rights adversaries, and child touchers forever evading consequences, claiming sole ownership of the concept of “democracy” is stealing valor.
nobody on the left is saying democracy should end, don’t be stuffing words in people’s mouths
I think you’re correct that people saying that aren’t on the left, but literally the next reply to wild below yours is saying that.
that scoffinglizard guy? I have a lot of .ml users blocked so maybe I’m not seeing who you’re seeing but I think that lizard is saying democracy is already failed and we need a militia to restore it. or maybe I’m being too charitable, I’m trying to chill out from earlier and be more good faith-pilled
I dunno, even commie types like the ones I block at least still pretend to want democracy. Social progress as a whole stops when you stratify legislative power.
No they make no mention of restoring democracy, their short comment just says our democracy isn’t real and militia needs to murder billionaires.
maybe this is just my brain worms talking but given the context of the situation it would only really make sense if they were meaning in order to restore democracy. are you trying to get me to look at that person’s account for you or something? why are you trying to point them out to me?
A pretty sizeable number of anarchists and tankies don’t believe in democratic representation.
Sorry to break it to you but the blame lies with the American people. In Europe, when something like this happens, everyone’s on the streets and there are strikes everywhere. And the protests almost always turn violent. And we’re talking about large demonstrations of millions, not a few hundred/thousands as in the US. In the US, the demonstrations kinda feel like a spectacle, a show that you join for a couple of hours. In Europe it means business. I’m also American, but I’m currently in Greece. I’ve seen the differences with my own eyes. The public needs to show force, or it has no teeth. I’m not advocating for violence, I’m advocating for teeth.
In Europe, when something like this happens, everyone’s on the streets and there are strikes everywhere.
This is not true, most major European countries have a growing Trump like movement and they’re steadily gaining ground. Consider France, the country most notorious for its protests, the left there does like the Americans – keep voting for their version of the Democrats only to get burned over and over in Parliament. In many spaces, European countries do not have as good protection for individual liberties and even social democratic governments are fine with doing things that are sometimes on par with the Trump regime (albeit not being as gauche, lawless and explicitly cruel about it). For instance, the EU is trying to mandate that pretty much all digital communication is put under AI based surveillance (under the guise of tracking down pedos) – the movement against this is very fringe even though it affects everyone. You should also keep in mind that European leaders, all over the spectrum, are blindly caving to Trump whenever he exerts any form of pressure.
In summary, many of us in Europe are better off in terms of not yet living under a creeping autocracy that has become void of any credible democratic influence for the populace. But it’s slipping here too, heading in the same direction, and by and large the general public is not really paying attention.
The American capitalist banking lies have spread, but it’s definitely tangible how hypnotized the states are at the epicentrum of the apathy doctrine, ground zero bleeding edge weapons of mass distraction are deployed at twenty billion hertz.
The US became the world currency. To be able to create money from nothing is a big responsibility. It’s clear they have no interest / are not able to continue to be the custodians of that ideal. It’s more than likely going to China, and the small children born into that education system will be outraged at the Audacity and try to start a war. I really hope nobody at the helm of advanced weaponry has a mental break and tries to kill millions again. It would be devastating to see how much more dangerous these tools of slaughter has become.
You’re right, but two things can be true at the same time: Europe is slipping to the right, but it still has a lot more civil engagement.
But as long as neoliberalism is maintained while it withers, the course here will be the same as the US: Fascism.
The final count for No Kings was over 5 million. Glad a bunch of folks that only work 30 hours a week can be at their commin protest point within hours and complain that Americans barely keeping their heads above water have low numbers just because our country is massive.
5 million is nothing in country of 300+ million. In Greece, last February, 4 million people hit the streets, in a country of 10 million.
It would have taken me 5 hours to get to my state capitol where I am from, and even if half the state came, as huge as it is, that would still be only 2.5 million in a place that is barely on the map. We would have to shut down the entire state for a day just so people could take off work for the travel alone. Thos country is HUGE! I would like to protest chicago, but it would take at least 6 hours for me to get there from my location. Washington DC is about 14.5 hours away. And I am just talking one-way. There is lots of empty space here, with wildly different cultures on each side of those spaces. Greece is like the size of Alabama, but if you protested in Alabama, you are protesting in cities that do not get a lot of attention. I would bet you can not name one city there. Want to know why? Because nobody cares.
Shit is hitting the fan this week in Chicago. We have protested and protested and protested. That 50501 number was just for the No Kings protest. Of course the news never makes it to all of you. You might all get to see the civil war you wanted so badly. But we’ll lose. This wil be a slaughter if it pops off.
In other countries still, when tyrants start imposing their will and breaking the law, people just fucking drag their ass out of office by force.
America has the wealthiest, most comfortable middle-class population in the world, a relic from when we had great trading power and were on our way to become the globe’s central service, technology and engineering seat, but all that is now going away and there are raiders and orcs pillaging the middle-class.
By the time they’re done, America is going to be divided, wrecked and there will be shanty-towns where suburbs and universities used to stand, and all the frogs will have been boiled so slowly that nobody will remember how and why the country used to be profitable.
Right now, that middle-class is still so comfortable that they’re not noticing the changes. They are checked out. You all are. The number of people on this site alone who cannot grasp basic civics is more than depressing, it’s a sign of how far we’ve allowed our home to crumble and there will be no short-term solutions. We can start planting the seeds for a better tomorrow by getting involved in community and local representation and spurning the temptations of distractions and new shiny toys, but we will not sit in the shade of those trees. You all think this damage can be turned around as soon as “the liberals rise up” or some perfect, ideal leader suddenly appears out of the shadows.
Motherfuckers, nobody is coming. We let it slip, we stopped fighting the right fights, we let distractions divide us, and this is the consequence. You all should feel bad and be depressed. I have no positive news or bright side to look at. We are fucking maimed.
Unfortunately even Europe is going this way. The right have figured out how to spam nonsense on social media and turn enough people. And how to control media in general, just be on tv and radio as much as possible complaining about everything even if it doesn’t exist and offer up baseless solutions to solve every problem you’ve ever head.
See Farage.
Even Japan is seeing protests against immigration right now and rallying for building up armies and getting nuclear weapons. Ideas we would have thought completely insane even a few years ago.
Far-right rhetoric is the key to corporate wealth. As long as the world is divided, people will focus their fears outward instead of unionizing, creating competition or regulating the businesses in their homelands. Wealth inequality is how you make billions of people want to give you money for stupid distractions and entertainment and false security.
We HAVE to stop buying shit. Seriously, we are feeding our killers and supplying them with every incentive to keep raping us. We have to stop buying doordash and fast food and new games and movies and new cars and phones. We have to start living like we’re already in the hard times ahead, because if we can punch the corporations hard enough, they may loosen their grip enough or lose time restructuring their tactics that we can get actual anti-oligarch representation into local seats of power. That’s our ONLY hope right now, and it’s a longshot that requires each of us to do far more uncomfortable things than we want.
“even japan” dude Japan and Germany are not beginners in faschism, it would be awesome if anybody could pass that along
But yes. Stop milking the cow that abuses the hell out of you. Welfare and community is needed, not weapons. Only the very rich benefit in the class war
There are millions on the street protesting in the US. The difference is European countries are tiny and the population more condensed compared to the US.
Look at my other comment. Greece is a country of less than 10million and 4 million hit the streets in feb. For No Kings protest in the US, only 5 million hit the streets. Out of 300 million ppl. That’s the comparison I’m making.
I’m not advocating for violence, I’m advocating for teeth.
The status quo is more violent than a riot or political assassination could ever measure up to. I advocate for killing it by whatever means are available. If violence is a plausible tool, use violence. If voting still has any hope of accomplishing anything, do that. Our stupidity and apathy have created a monster that must die.
I think one of the big concerns is that Trump is looking for any excuse to deploy the military against our own citizens. If he can start something violent in the streets, it justifies declaring martial law and taking over Democrat-run states. But in this digital age, everyone has cameras on their phones, so he needs the citizens to start shit first. He’s not brave enough yet to directly contradict video evidence of crimes (although he’s getting there).
That’s one of the big reasons Americans are trying to keep their protests civil. If we turn it violent, Trump gets his way and we get don’t stand a chance against a military invasion on our own land. Like in California, when Trump sent the National Guard to quell protests against ICE in LA, nothing came of it because no one wanted to start a fight. Protestors showed up, but none of them directly engaged with the military. Eventually the whole military campaign fizzled and the National Guard was recalled home.
We’re dealing with that again in Washington D.C. right now. Trump created some fake crime emergency to deploy the National Guard in D.C., despite an all-time low crime rate right now. Protestors are showing up in force, but nothing’s happening because they’re not directly confronting the National Guard. Just standing their ground and peacefully protesting.
I’m all for revolution; I think the only way we’ll fix our broken system is to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch; there are too many corrupt officials, on both sides of the fence, to repair it as is. And too many corrupt laws and regulations in place to function effectively. But you can’t just go in with violence. It’s a delicate situation right now and violence should be the absolute last resort. Trump has no problem sending millions to their deaths for his ideals and he’ll gladly invade our own nation to cement his dictatorship. We can’t give him the excuse to do it.
I was serving in the US military when Trump got elected the first time, and that was a scary time for us. He spoke very favorably about various dictators and wanting to reshape America like their countries. But he had a majority Democrat government that kept slapping down every BS thing he tried, so his first term was mostly uneventful.
This time around, though, he has a majority Republican government and enough supporters in high level positions that he’s surrounded by yes men. He’s been a lot more bold. I’m really glad I retired when I did because there’s no way I could follow his unlawful orders.
I think that’s the biggest difference between the US and Europe. Europe isn’t going to deploy the military to break up violent protests and then use it to enact martial law and overthrow that nation. Trump will, if given the chance.
Sure, we don’t have to start with violence, but the person you responded to also said strike. A general strike would topple what’s left of the rotting economy Trump created and angering the corporate overlords is really the only hope in a corporate oligarchy.
I’m also American, but I’m currently in Greece.
Oh yeah that definitely makes you a credible voice for “europe”.
I am from the Netherlands, born and raised, and let me just say: the lack of civil resistance against Trump’s regime is shocking to me and my Dutch peers.
swapping the dems in, if it were even possible (it isnt, especially now) would be like changing captains of the titanic after it hit the iceberg. its still gonna sink no matter what. its by design. the debts too big, and the game is over.
the sacrificial goat was the US, and now a new shithole state rises from the ashes. and its blue print will stretch across the world to all the US’s former allies in time.
doesnt matter whos the face of it anymore, there are contingencies on both sides that will make sure this continues no matter who gets popped.
position yourself accordingly.
