Sorry to break it to you but the blame lies with the American people. In Europe, when something like this happens, everyone’s on the streets and there are strikes everywhere. And the protests almost always turn violent. And we’re talking about large demonstrations of millions, not a few hundred/thousands as in the US. In the US, the demonstrations kinda feel like a spectacle, a show that you join for a couple of hours. In Europe it means business. I’m also American, but I’m currently in Greece. I’ve seen the differences with my own eyes. The public needs to show force, or it has no teeth. I’m not advocating for violence, I’m advocating for teeth.
In Europe, when something like this happens, everyone’s on the streets and there are strikes everywhere.
This is not true, most major European countries have a growing Trump like movement and they’re steadily gaining ground. Consider France, the country most notorious for its protests, the left there does like the Americans – keep voting for their version of the Democrats only to get burned over and over in Parliament. In many spaces, European countries do not have as good protection for individual liberties and even social democratic governments are fine with doing things that are sometimes on par with the Trump regime (albeit not being as gauche, lawless and explicitly cruel about it). For instance, the EU is trying to mandate that pretty much all digital communication is put under AI based surveillance (under the guise of tracking down pedos) – the movement against this is very fringe even though it affects everyone. You should also keep in mind that European leaders, all over the spectrum, are blindly caving to Trump whenever he exerts any form of pressure.
In summary, many of us in Europe are better off in terms of not yet living under a creeping autocracy that has become void of any credible democratic influence for the populace. But it’s slipping here too, heading in the same direction, and by and large the general public is not really paying attention.
The American capitalist banking lies have spread, but it’s definitely tangible how hypnotized the states are at the epicentrum of the apathy doctrine, ground zero bleeding edge weapons of mass distraction are deployed at twenty billion hertz.
The US became the world currency. To be able to create money from nothing is a big responsibility. It’s clear they have no interest / are not able to continue to be the custodians of that ideal. It’s more than likely going to China, and the small children born into that education system will be outraged at the Audacity and try to start a war. I really hope nobody at the helm of advanced weaponry has a mental break and tries to kill millions again. It would be devastating to see how much more dangerous these tools of slaughter has become.
The final count for No Kings was over 5 million. Glad a bunch of folks that only work 30 hours a week can be at their commin protest point within hours and complain that Americans barely keeping their heads above water have low numbers just because our country is massive.
It would have taken me 5 hours to get to my state capitol where I am from, and even if half the state came, as huge as it is, that would still be only 2.5 million in a place that is barely on the map. We would have to shut down the entire state for a day just so people could take off work for the travel alone. Thos country is HUGE! I would like to protest chicago, but it would take at least 6 hours for me to get there from my location. Washington DC is about 14.5 hours away. And I am just talking one-way. There is lots of empty space here, with wildly different cultures on each side of those spaces. Greece is like the size of Alabama, but if you protested in Alabama, you are protesting in cities that do not get a lot of attention. I would bet you can not name one city there. Want to know why? Because nobody cares.
Shit is hitting the fan this week in Chicago. We have protested and protested and protested. That 50501 number was just for the No Kings protest. Of course the news never makes it to all of you. You might all get to see the civil war you wanted so badly. But we’ll lose. This wil be a slaughter if it pops off.
Unfortunately even Europe is going this way. The right have figured out how to spam nonsense on social media and turn enough people. And how to control media in general, just be on tv and radio as much as possible complaining about everything even if it doesn’t exist and offer up baseless solutions to solve every problem you’ve ever head.
Even Japan is seeing protests against immigration right now and rallying for building up armies and getting nuclear weapons. Ideas we would have thought completely insane even a few years ago.
Far-right rhetoric is the key to corporate wealth. As long as the world is divided, people will focus their fears outward instead of unionizing, creating competition or regulating the businesses in their homelands. Wealth inequality is how you make billions of people want to give you money for stupid distractions and entertainment and false security.
We HAVE to stop buying shit. Seriously, we are feeding our killers and supplying them with every incentive to keep raping us. We have to stop buying doordash and fast food and new games and movies and new cars and phones. We have to start living like we’re already in the hard times ahead, because if we can punch the corporations hard enough, they may loosen their grip enough or lose time restructuring their tactics that we can get actual anti-oligarch representation into local seats of power. That’s our ONLY hope right now, and it’s a longshot that requires each of us to do far more uncomfortable things than we want.
“even japan” dude Japan and Germany are not beginners in faschism, it would be awesome if anybody could pass that along
But yes. Stop milking the cow that abuses the hell out of you. Welfare and community is needed, not weapons. Only the very rich benefit in the class war
In other countries still, when tyrants start imposing their will and breaking the law, people just fucking drag their ass out of office by force.
America has the wealthiest, most comfortable middle-class population in the world, a relic from when we had great trading power and were on our way to become the globe’s central service, technology and engineering seat, but all that is now going away and there are raiders and orcs pillaging the middle-class.
By the time they’re done, America is going to be divided, wrecked and there will be shanty-towns where suburbs and universities used to stand, and all the frogs will have been boiled so slowly that nobody will remember how and why the country used to be profitable.
Right now, that middle-class is still so comfortable that they’re not noticing the changes. They are checked out. You all are. The number of people on this site alone who cannot grasp basic civics is more than depressing, it’s a sign of how far we’ve allowed our home to crumble and there will be no short-term solutions. We can start planting the seeds for a better tomorrow by getting involved in community and local representation and spurning the temptations of distractions and new shiny toys, but we will not sit in the shade of those trees. You all think this damage can be turned around as soon as “the liberals rise up” or some perfect, ideal leader suddenly appears out of the shadows.
Motherfuckers, nobody is coming. We let it slip, we stopped fighting the right fights, we let distractions divide us, and this is the consequence. You all should feel bad and be depressed. I have no positive news or bright side to look at. We are fucking maimed.
There are millions on the street protesting in the US. The difference is European countries are tiny and the population more condensed compared to the US.
Look at my other comment. Greece is a country of less than 10million and 4 million hit the streets in feb. For No Kings protest in the US, only 5 million hit the streets. Out of 300 million ppl. That’s the comparison I’m making.
I’m not advocating for violence, I’m advocating for teeth.
The status quo is more violent than a riot or political assassination could ever measure up to. I advocate for killing it by whatever means are available. If violence is a plausible tool, use violence. If voting still has any hope of accomplishing anything, do that. Our stupidity and apathy have created a monster that must die.
I think one of the big concerns is that Trump is looking for any excuse to deploy the military against our own citizens. If he can start something violent in the streets, it justifies declaring martial law and taking over Democrat-run states. But in this digital age, everyone has cameras on their phones, so he needs the citizens to start shit first. He’s not brave enough yet to directly contradict video evidence of crimes (although he’s getting there).
That’s one of the big reasons Americans are trying to keep their protests civil. If we turn it violent, Trump gets his way and we get don’t stand a chance against a military invasion on our own land. Like in California, when Trump sent the National Guard to quell protests against ICE in LA, nothing came of it because no one wanted to start a fight. Protestors showed up, but none of them directly engaged with the military. Eventually the whole military campaign fizzled and the National Guard was recalled home.
We’re dealing with that again in Washington D.C. right now. Trump created some fake crime emergency to deploy the National Guard in D.C., despite an all-time low crime rate right now. Protestors are showing up in force, but nothing’s happening because they’re not directly confronting the National Guard. Just standing their ground and peacefully protesting.
I’m all for revolution; I think the only way we’ll fix our broken system is to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch; there are too many corrupt officials, on both sides of the fence, to repair it as is. And too many corrupt laws and regulations in place to function effectively. But you can’t just go in with violence. It’s a delicate situation right now and violence should be the absolute last resort. Trump has no problem sending millions to their deaths for his ideals and he’ll gladly invade our own nation to cement his dictatorship. We can’t give him the excuse to do it.
I was serving in the US military when Trump got elected the first time, and that was a scary time for us. He spoke very favorably about various dictators and wanting to reshape America like their countries. But he had a majority Democrat government that kept slapping down every BS thing he tried, so his first term was mostly uneventful.
This time around, though, he has a majority Republican government and enough supporters in high level positions that he’s surrounded by yes men. He’s been a lot more bold. I’m really glad I retired when I did because there’s no way I could follow his unlawful orders.
I think that’s the biggest difference between the US and Europe. Europe isn’t going to deploy the military to break up violent protests and then use it to enact martial law and overthrow that nation. Trump will, if given the chance.
Sure, we don’t have to start with violence, but the person you responded to also said strike. A general strike would topple what’s left of the rotting economy Trump created and angering the corporate overlords is really the only hope in a corporate oligarchy.
I am from the Netherlands, born and raised, and let me just say: the lack of civil resistance against Trump’s regime is shocking to me and my Dutch peers.
Sorry to break it to you but the blame lies with the American people. In Europe, when something like this happens, everyone’s on the streets and there are strikes everywhere. And the protests almost always turn violent. And we’re talking about large demonstrations of millions, not a few hundred/thousands as in the US. In the US, the demonstrations kinda feel like a spectacle, a show that you join for a couple of hours. In Europe it means business. I’m also American, but I’m currently in Greece. I’ve seen the differences with my own eyes. The public needs to show force, or it has no teeth. I’m not advocating for violence, I’m advocating for teeth.
This is not true, most major European countries have a growing Trump like movement and they’re steadily gaining ground. Consider France, the country most notorious for its protests, the left there does like the Americans – keep voting for their version of the Democrats only to get burned over and over in Parliament. In many spaces, European countries do not have as good protection for individual liberties and even social democratic governments are fine with doing things that are sometimes on par with the Trump regime (albeit not being as gauche, lawless and explicitly cruel about it). For instance, the EU is trying to mandate that pretty much all digital communication is put under AI based surveillance (under the guise of tracking down pedos) – the movement against this is very fringe even though it affects everyone. You should also keep in mind that European leaders, all over the spectrum, are blindly caving to Trump whenever he exerts any form of pressure.
In summary, many of us in Europe are better off in terms of not yet living under a creeping autocracy that has become void of any credible democratic influence for the populace. But it’s slipping here too, heading in the same direction, and by and large the general public is not really paying attention.
The American capitalist banking lies have spread, but it’s definitely tangible how hypnotized the states are at the epicentrum of the apathy doctrine, ground zero bleeding edge weapons of mass distraction are deployed at twenty billion hertz.
The US became the world currency. To be able to create money from nothing is a big responsibility. It’s clear they have no interest / are not able to continue to be the custodians of that ideal. It’s more than likely going to China, and the small children born into that education system will be outraged at the Audacity and try to start a war. I really hope nobody at the helm of advanced weaponry has a mental break and tries to kill millions again. It would be devastating to see how much more dangerous these tools of slaughter has become.
You’re right, but two things can be true at the same time: Europe is slipping to the right, but it still has a lot more civil engagement.
But as long as neoliberalism is maintained while it withers, the course here will be the same as the US: Fascism.
The final count for No Kings was over 5 million. Glad a bunch of folks that only work 30 hours a week can be at their commin protest point within hours and complain that Americans barely keeping their heads above water have low numbers just because our country is massive.
5 million is nothing in country of 300+ million. In Greece, last February, 4 million people hit the streets, in a country of 10 million.
It would have taken me 5 hours to get to my state capitol where I am from, and even if half the state came, as huge as it is, that would still be only 2.5 million in a place that is barely on the map. We would have to shut down the entire state for a day just so people could take off work for the travel alone. Thos country is HUGE! I would like to protest chicago, but it would take at least 6 hours for me to get there from my location. Washington DC is about 14.5 hours away. And I am just talking one-way. There is lots of empty space here, with wildly different cultures on each side of those spaces. Greece is like the size of Alabama, but if you protested in Alabama, you are protesting in cities that do not get a lot of attention. I would bet you can not name one city there. Want to know why? Because nobody cares.
Shit is hitting the fan this week in Chicago. We have protested and protested and protested. That 50501 number was just for the No Kings protest. Of course the news never makes it to all of you. You might all get to see the civil war you wanted so badly. But we’ll lose. This wil be a slaughter if it pops off.
Unfortunately even Europe is going this way. The right have figured out how to spam nonsense on social media and turn enough people. And how to control media in general, just be on tv and radio as much as possible complaining about everything even if it doesn’t exist and offer up baseless solutions to solve every problem you’ve ever head.
See Farage.
Even Japan is seeing protests against immigration right now and rallying for building up armies and getting nuclear weapons. Ideas we would have thought completely insane even a few years ago.
Far-right rhetoric is the key to corporate wealth. As long as the world is divided, people will focus their fears outward instead of unionizing, creating competition or regulating the businesses in their homelands. Wealth inequality is how you make billions of people want to give you money for stupid distractions and entertainment and false security.
We HAVE to stop buying shit. Seriously, we are feeding our killers and supplying them with every incentive to keep raping us. We have to stop buying doordash and fast food and new games and movies and new cars and phones. We have to start living like we’re already in the hard times ahead, because if we can punch the corporations hard enough, they may loosen their grip enough or lose time restructuring their tactics that we can get actual anti-oligarch representation into local seats of power. That’s our ONLY hope right now, and it’s a longshot that requires each of us to do far more uncomfortable things than we want.
“even japan” dude Japan and Germany are not beginners in faschism, it would be awesome if anybody could pass that along
But yes. Stop milking the cow that abuses the hell out of you. Welfare and community is needed, not weapons. Only the very rich benefit in the class war
In other countries still, when tyrants start imposing their will and breaking the law, people just fucking drag their ass out of office by force.
America has the wealthiest, most comfortable middle-class population in the world, a relic from when we had great trading power and were on our way to become the globe’s central service, technology and engineering seat, but all that is now going away and there are raiders and orcs pillaging the middle-class.
By the time they’re done, America is going to be divided, wrecked and there will be shanty-towns where suburbs and universities used to stand, and all the frogs will have been boiled so slowly that nobody will remember how and why the country used to be profitable.
Right now, that middle-class is still so comfortable that they’re not noticing the changes. They are checked out. You all are. The number of people on this site alone who cannot grasp basic civics is more than depressing, it’s a sign of how far we’ve allowed our home to crumble and there will be no short-term solutions. We can start planting the seeds for a better tomorrow by getting involved in community and local representation and spurning the temptations of distractions and new shiny toys, but we will not sit in the shade of those trees. You all think this damage can be turned around as soon as “the liberals rise up” or some perfect, ideal leader suddenly appears out of the shadows.
Motherfuckers, nobody is coming. We let it slip, we stopped fighting the right fights, we let distractions divide us, and this is the consequence. You all should feel bad and be depressed. I have no positive news or bright side to look at. We are fucking maimed.
There are millions on the street protesting in the US. The difference is European countries are tiny and the population more condensed compared to the US.
Look at my other comment. Greece is a country of less than 10million and 4 million hit the streets in feb. For No Kings protest in the US, only 5 million hit the streets. Out of 300 million ppl. That’s the comparison I’m making.
The status quo is more violent than a riot or political assassination could ever measure up to. I advocate for killing it by whatever means are available. If violence is a plausible tool, use violence. If voting still has any hope of accomplishing anything, do that. Our stupidity and apathy have created a monster that must die.
I think one of the big concerns is that Trump is looking for any excuse to deploy the military against our own citizens. If he can start something violent in the streets, it justifies declaring martial law and taking over Democrat-run states. But in this digital age, everyone has cameras on their phones, so he needs the citizens to start shit first. He’s not brave enough yet to directly contradict video evidence of crimes (although he’s getting there).
That’s one of the big reasons Americans are trying to keep their protests civil. If we turn it violent, Trump gets his way and we get don’t stand a chance against a military invasion on our own land. Like in California, when Trump sent the National Guard to quell protests against ICE in LA, nothing came of it because no one wanted to start a fight. Protestors showed up, but none of them directly engaged with the military. Eventually the whole military campaign fizzled and the National Guard was recalled home.
We’re dealing with that again in Washington D.C. right now. Trump created some fake crime emergency to deploy the National Guard in D.C., despite an all-time low crime rate right now. Protestors are showing up in force, but nothing’s happening because they’re not directly confronting the National Guard. Just standing their ground and peacefully protesting.
I’m all for revolution; I think the only way we’ll fix our broken system is to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch; there are too many corrupt officials, on both sides of the fence, to repair it as is. And too many corrupt laws and regulations in place to function effectively. But you can’t just go in with violence. It’s a delicate situation right now and violence should be the absolute last resort. Trump has no problem sending millions to their deaths for his ideals and he’ll gladly invade our own nation to cement his dictatorship. We can’t give him the excuse to do it.
I was serving in the US military when Trump got elected the first time, and that was a scary time for us. He spoke very favorably about various dictators and wanting to reshape America like their countries. But he had a majority Democrat government that kept slapping down every BS thing he tried, so his first term was mostly uneventful.
This time around, though, he has a majority Republican government and enough supporters in high level positions that he’s surrounded by yes men. He’s been a lot more bold. I’m really glad I retired when I did because there’s no way I could follow his unlawful orders.
I think that’s the biggest difference between the US and Europe. Europe isn’t going to deploy the military to break up violent protests and then use it to enact martial law and overthrow that nation. Trump will, if given the chance.
Sure, we don’t have to start with violence, but the person you responded to also said strike. A general strike would topple what’s left of the rotting economy Trump created and angering the corporate overlords is really the only hope in a corporate oligarchy.
Oh yeah that definitely makes you a credible voice for “europe”.
I am from the Netherlands, born and raised, and let me just say: the lack of civil resistance against Trump’s regime is shocking to me and my Dutch peers.