• Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    11 minutes ago

    Mostly because our ability to organize and unify against the wealthy is overwhelmed by the wealthy’s tools to keep us factioned and distrustful of each other. Hence the necessity of the fascist enemy within rhetoric.

    The problem is, we humans are simple emotional beings who are really credulous when it comes to being told stuff we want to hear, and the wealthy have crafted messaging catering to this bias and wishful thinking (hence “you are the chosen people and have to massacre all the others who are spiritual flesh-eating zombies”)

    That sounds way cooler to the lumpen-proletariat than “you’re just another commoner, but if we work together we can topple the people who hoard all the stuff and make a fun themepark for everyone!”

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    1 hour ago

    You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

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      It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

      It really shouldn’t be since that’s just the beginning, they’ll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.

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      25 minutes ago

      Voting stupidly doesn’t turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it’s just that most of us have been tricked.

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      Not even a majority of voters, let alone a majority of Americans. Just about 30% of adults in the US voted for trump. We still outnumber them.

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        Actually yes, a majority. Trump lost popular vote in 2016 but won it in 2024. IMO everyone eligible who stayed home is just as much complicit with Trump.

  • HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works
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    3 hours ago

    Because they taste like shit.

    Better to leave them outside for the polar bears to eat so they stop starving to death.

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    7 hours ago

    Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.

    That’s how Lenin got in power. It’s how the French decapitated their king. That’s why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.

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      Wow you really picked two of the worst possible examples. French Revolutionaries decapitated so many officials that they ended up decapitating the previous wave of French Revolutionaries, then Napoleon and the Church took over.

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      Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.

      Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don’t revolt.

      However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.

      What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.

      Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

      Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.

      Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.

      Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.

      So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.

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        in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

        (I can’t be the first person to have this thought so someone please chime in and tell me where to learn more.)

        The scale of housing and factories was different in 1908 though. These days factories are giant complexes in the middle of nowhere with supercommuters that don’t live anywhere near each other or the factory so don’t have the same opportunities to fraternize and organize in their homes and taverns. I don’t know how workers can overcome this massive hurdle from the modern era.

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        Iran, 1977, mass demonstrations that were often kicked off by communists and socialists leading to a revolution in 1979.

        Iran, 1988, communists, many who were involved in the revolution, begin being executed by the Islamic government.

        Revolution is also sadly no guarantee of anything getting better.

        “The moral arc of history bends towards justice” is a lie Westerners have sold themselves for far too long while the evidence otherwise has stared them in the face if they were paying any attention at all.

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          Well yes, it turns out billions of us aid and explicit US training can stamp out communism, at least without any other support structures.

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    Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don’t also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.

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    Because the rich don’t affect much in our current monetary policy, its the velocity of money that matters rather than the quantity.

    If they start buying out every grocery store then prices rise, interest rates rise, and their asset prices fall.

    Its the central bank that debases your salary though, making it buy less and forcing a wall of debt to gatekeep your housing.

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      You’re half right… monetary policy is a huge source of inequality, but that’s because congress obeys their rich owners.

      If there was some way to opt out of their monetary policy, then you’d think it would already be catching on. 😉