The story began in early 2017, when Abigail Piland was born without any obvious problems. But when the midwife who helped deliver her checked back the next day, Abigail didn’t look healthy. The midwife told mother Rachel Piland to take the child to a hospital because the baby “could suffer brain damage or die if not properly cared for.”
Rachel refused, insisting “God makes no mistakes.”
Days later, Abigail was dead. (Rachel and her husband Joshua then prayed for Abigail’s resurrection. Surprise: That didn’t work, either.)
A medical examiner later attributed the death to “unconjugated hyperbilirubinemia and kernicterus,” both jaundice-related problems that were treatable. Abigail never had the chance to see a doctor when blood was coming out of her mouth, or when she wasn’t eating, or when her skin became further discolored. All because her parents put more trust in God than someone who could actually help.
There is a family guy episode about something similar. Stewie becomes friends with another kid from a very religious family. The kid has cancer and the parents refuse to get treatment and prefer to pray the cancer away. Crazy that these people actually exist. Though I can’t say that I am surprised…
These stupid fucks were mentioned on the Friendly Athiest blog and podcast earlier this year. Look it up. It’s a good read / listen.
In a statement read in court, Rachel’s brother, Joel Kerr, said the Pilands “chose their beliefs over their children.” He asked for sentences “sufficiently long that (the couple) can no longer bring life into the world just to snuff it out.”
Monsters. Religion kills. Why do you think abortion is illegal for women who have been raped? Religion.
And they claim “God makes no mistakes.”
Well, they are the mistakes.
A sentence of menopause in prison is an amazing idea.
sentences “sufficiently long that (the couple) can no longer bring life into the world just to snuff it out.”
Now that sounds like justice to me.
The system will go easy on them, being white, Christian, and Conservative. They’ll do a few months. Then they’ll have another kid, because bible.
The sentencing is in the article. 20-45 years, largely because they showed no remorse and claimed they would do it again
that doesnt mean the prosecutor or the judge wont try to go easy on them, very easy to offer them a “plea deal that is lenient” or choose a jury sympathetic to christians.
Lol they were tried, convicted, and sentenced by the judge. It’s over there is nobody left to go easy on them.
They. Have. Already. Been. Sentenced.
A lot of people find Jesus in prison. I don’t know what Jesus is in there for, but as lot of people say he is.
Jesus was sentenced to life without parole for disorderly conduct while brown.
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Religion is dangerous on many levels because it is make believe taken as reality.
This is just one rather simple example of how fucking stupid it is that people still spread and maintain that oldest of lies.
The only good thing about religion is that all the nutjobs believing in it woukd likely be the ones also susceptible to other ideologies, manipulations and political groupings in oder to be “part of something greater” and looking at the world I regard the chances of then getting sucked into something like that which would actually be good for them and World as very slim.
common christian L
Here come the “fake christian” remarks we all know so well.
aren’t all Christians fake since god isn’t real?
True, but from their perspective, anyone who doesn’t follow their interpretation of Christianity is a “fake Christian”.
…but, the inverse is also true.
The “fake Christian”'s idea of Christianity makes you their “fake Christian”.
It’s almost like religion is based on bullshit and interpretive.
oh right they are fake christians, not all of us are like this… lmao
“God makes no mistakes, except doctors and modern medicine.”
A just God wouldn’t give an innocent child to people like that.
God appears to have made innumerable mistakes since the dawn of time by my reckoning.
What’s that old quote about the body being an example of a shitty civil engineer? Something along the lines of: “Only a new civvy puts the playground next to the sewer outflow.”
Yeah, I’m reading a comment from one of them right now. Hahaha, got em!
Oh no, in reading my own comment and now I’m God’s mistake toooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
How liberating it must be to just dump everything single thing on “god’s will”, and have to worry about nothing, ever.
It’s fucking depressing… This isn’t even about religion, it’s about untreated, likely even undiagnosed, mental illness.
yea the annoying thing is they won’t feel remorse too, they will just say it was God’s will, we will try again.
Read the story. That’s literally what they did. They had two more kids after they killed Abigail. And in court they said they would do exactly the same thing again.
I could only stomach a couple lines so what I wrote was completely a guess
No kidding. They’ll do something shitty then apologize to their imaginary friend in their head and move along while the rest of the world burns.
And it makes me wonder how lonely it must feel to try contact a being that never replies anything back.
Or maybe they feel like it does talk back? I don’t know.From experience with these sorts of folks, they take positive things as the reply, and just don’t think about negatives. The rare negative that they can’t ignore gets blamed on other people who aren’t believers, or whatever their version of ‘the devil’ is.
I mean, prison, after all, not the most liberated of places
Is it a good time to discuss parenting licence?
Not parenting licenses, but well funded child protective services. Investigations into claims. Serious monitoring of home schoolers.
As I have been trying to get ANYONE to listen to for the past year, for example, the state of Oklahoma actively does not investigate child welfare cases (except occasionally to take away native or Black children.)
The internal phone system at Oklahoma DHS is NOT WORKING. They have the incorrect numbers for several state agencies, and have been forwarding reports intended for the police to a very confused Hispanic man. This is absolutely insane and should be newsworthy, but no one gives a shit.
You could try reaching out to reporters at ProPublica. Each bio link describes what they cover, so you can target those likely to have an interest.
I’ve been hitting up John Sullivan - he investigated the facility that I am trying to get shut down back when it was under a different name. (How the fuck do you kill a kid, and then immediately get to open up a new facility?)
I think nurses should be able to ideally forcefully remove a child into medical care when parents are this stupid but of course with the current political climate in the US, I wouldn’t be surprised if KFC Junior praised them (typo intentional)
No. There’s no ethical way to implement something like that. Even if there was, it’s ripe for abuse by the wrong administration.
Sounds like a way to prevent “undesirable” people from having children. Just so, so wide open to abuse.
Yea I don’t really believe in its applicability too but doesn’t prevent me from wishing it in a more “ideal” form despite being very dangerously parallel to eugenics. It is just hard to think of anything else when you read a news about a baby dying while vomiting blood.
But about the topic of abuse, everything is open to abuse by billionaires including law, but we still have them.
Honestly the eugenics issues aside the idea of the state regulating one of the most basic facets of humanity disgusts me.
What does that look like, forced birth control, forced abstinence, forced abortions? Sounds like a dystopian hell
I’ve held this belief for years but have been afraid to voice it for fear of being labelled a eugenicist or something
I mean it is a thing which can turn into eugenics with only a little push so there must be counter weights, like life long imprisonment for anyone trying to turn this into eugenics I guess?
Good as any.
What exactly is your plan for when someone without a license is found with a baby?
I’m just spitballing here. Slap a fine on them for sure. Maybe perform an assessment for license issuance, and if found ineligible for a license for whatever reason, treat it the same as when a parent is found unfit by CPS.
In any given situation, that will make things worse for the child.
Oh good, Millions of children being removed from their parents and thown into a system of state care that is known to be not particularly good is sure to work out well
Yea state care isn’t great agreed (whether or not that can be fixed is another topic I guess), if the punishment is more deterrent and the rates of incidence low, reparenting would be preferred. However for that people’s mindset of parenting should be greatly changed too. People should be more sympathetic towards/used to the idea of parenting a kid who is not their genetic successor.
They want you to say: STERILISATION.
What exactly is your plan when parents are so stupid that a baby dies vomiting blood due to a medically preventable condition?
They go to prison. Is on the title.
That does not prevent a baby from dying while vomiting blood though
The question is what to do when the baby dies, not how to prevent it.
I don’t know how to prevent it, but from this raises a personal grievance of mine. Having a child is easy, even idiots can do it and many do by accident. Adopting a child is mind boggling difficult. This isn’t fair for parents or children.
Straight to Jail!
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This is why religion is dangerous.
Just one of many reasons.
Why would the Lord want you to just let your kid die? Absolutely brainless.
It is because it/he/she/them “acts in mysterious ways”
“acts in mysterious ways”
So say the same people who are very eager to tell you exactly what their God wants you to do.
Because if he wanted the kid to survive, he would make it better himself.
Yeah, it’s a stupid belief.
You need to prove your faith* by letting god’s plan happen. By getting the human medical system involved, you’re proving that you don’t trust god (hint: I don’t).
- but asking god to prove its existence is unacceptable
My mom(christian): There’s a lot of sick people in the world…
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Man, this kinda shit always just makes me so sad :(
Don’t talk about it too much if you don’t want it becoming such a widespread story that it gets Trump to pardon them.
Can’t pardon state charges
For now. The orange shit stain gets what he wants.
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Crazy how broad and vague the term “Christian” is. Covers people who pretty much act like me, to these people. And they don’t really have anything in common.
I’m more Christian than most Christians I know and I’m an anti-theist.
Please spread common sense to your Christian buddies. They’ve been lacking in that department for decades.
I mean I don’t live in the USA, so these extremes are way toned down here. But yeah, I’m always talking to people and I’ll tell them science is the method for truth, and it’s important to think. (And to oppose immoral acts, like killing your children… And this isn’t even a controversy amongst sane people 😅)
Millennia.
