The story began in early 2017, when Abigail Piland was born without any obvious problems. But when the midwife who helped deliver her checked back the next day, Abigail didn’t look healthy. The midwife told mother Rachel Piland to take the child to a hospital because the baby “could suffer brain damage or die if not properly cared for.”
Rachel refused, insisting “God makes no mistakes.”
Days later, Abigail was dead. (Rachel and her husband Joshua then prayed for Abigail’s resurrection. Surprise: That didn’t work, either.)
A medical examiner later attributed the death to “unconjugated hyperbilirubinemia and kernicterus,” both jaundice-related problems that were treatable. Abigail never had the chance to see a doctor when blood was coming out of her mouth, or when she wasn’t eating, or when her skin became further discolored. All because her parents put more trust in God than someone who could actually help.
Is it a good time to discuss parenting licence?
No. There’s no ethical way to implement something like that. Even if there was, it’s ripe for abuse by the wrong administration.
Sounds like a way to prevent “undesirable” people from having children. Just so, so wide open to abuse.
Yea I don’t really believe in its applicability too but doesn’t prevent me from wishing it in a more “ideal” form despite being very dangerously parallel to eugenics. It is just hard to think of anything else when you read a news about a baby dying while vomiting blood.
But about the topic of abuse, everything is open to abuse by billionaires including law, but we still have them.
Honestly the eugenics issues aside the idea of the state regulating one of the most basic facets of humanity disgusts me.
What does that look like, forced birth control, forced abstinence, forced abortions? Sounds like a dystopian hell
Not parenting licenses, but well funded child protective services. Investigations into claims. Serious monitoring of home schoolers.
As I have been trying to get ANYONE to listen to for the past year, for example, the state of Oklahoma actively does not investigate child welfare cases (except occasionally to take away native or Black children.)
The internal phone system at Oklahoma DHS is NOT WORKING. They have the incorrect numbers for several state agencies, and have been forwarding reports intended for the police to a very confused Hispanic man. This is absolutely insane and should be newsworthy, but no one gives a shit.
You could try reaching out to reporters at ProPublica. Each bio link describes what they cover, so you can target those likely to have an interest.
https://www.propublica.org/staff/#news-staff
I’ve been hitting up John Sullivan - he investigated the facility that I am trying to get shut down back when it was under a different name. (How the fuck do you kill a kid, and then immediately get to open up a new facility?)
I think nurses should be able to ideally forcefully remove a child into medical care when parents are this stupid but of course with the current political climate in the US, I wouldn’t be surprised if KFC Junior praised them (typo intentional)
I’ve held this belief for years but have been afraid to voice it for fear of being labelled a eugenicist or something
I mean it is a thing which can turn into eugenics with only a little push so there must be counter weights, like life long imprisonment for anyone trying to turn this into eugenics I guess?
Good as any.
What exactly is your plan for when someone without a license is found with a baby?
I’m just spitballing here. Slap a fine on them for sure. Maybe perform an assessment for license issuance, and if found ineligible for a license for whatever reason, treat it the same as when a parent is found unfit by CPS.
In any given situation, that will make things worse for the child.
Oh good, Millions of children being removed from their parents and thown into a system of state care that is known to be not particularly good is sure to work out well
Yea state care isn’t great agreed (whether or not that can be fixed is another topic I guess), if the punishment is more deterrent and the rates of incidence low, reparenting would be preferred. However for that people’s mindset of parenting should be greatly changed too. People should be more sympathetic towards/used to the idea of parenting a kid who is not their genetic successor.
They want you to say: STERILISATION.
What exactly is your plan when parents are so stupid that a baby dies vomiting blood due to a medically preventable condition?
They go to prison. Is on the title.
That does not prevent a baby from dying while vomiting blood though
The question is what to do when the baby dies, not how to prevent it.
I don’t know how to prevent it, but from this raises a personal grievance of mine. Having a child is easy, even idiots can do it and many do by accident. Adopting a child is mind boggling difficult. This isn’t fair for parents or children.
Straight to Jail!
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