It’s fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn’t the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.
As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.
Did the DNC say something about Mamdani?
Trump barely beat Harris.
Cuomo got crushed in this primary.
Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.
bro trump cheated the second time lmao.
DNC=Divide N Conquer
Donald Trump is useful to the real power.
Don’t forget Bernie.
DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.
Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.
Thank fuck it’s now blatantly obvious with Zohran.
I’m not confident they will get it this time. Or care
Oh I agree completely. Just to clarify: The DNC absolutely will not get it or care. This is what I was describing as more “apparant” now.
Agreed. And why we need a new party. Organize and take back control of our country
I mean really they don’t, I’m pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they’ll put up for 2028 and pull the same “vote for us or suffer Republicans” bs for the next election.
I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They’re afraid that if they do, they’ll lose a majority against Republicans, but that’s already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.
Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani’s voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.
So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.
This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.
I still think we should support those that do primary if just to show the flippant double standards.
Plus it’s good if some of them win and pull the party in a reasonable direction. And having decent people in government is always nice.
The structural flaws in our elections that force us into a two-party system are deeply entrenched and they aren’t going to change until this place burns down and starts over. If you aren’t willing to vote for a politician with good priorities because they were nominated by the democratic party, you can still be an influential voice but come election time the system is already designed to ignore your vote.
Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they’re getting fucking roasted on social media for it.
Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.
Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.
Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, and he was endorsed by many dem leaders already
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuomo-stay-new-york-city-mayoral-ballot-november/story?id=123258468
Your source indicates he is still running, but unless I’m missing something makes no mention of endorsements. Do you have a source for that?
The endorsements were from before he was running during the primary.
I was being slightly fecesious
That’s not how you spell that.
Certainly a shitty way to spell it
We do a little lying
I was curious when I heard he’d passed the deadline to remove his name from the ballot for the general (whether he runs or not), and it seems the Republicans are pissed he didn’t because he’s likely going to take their votes away from Adams. Probably a good thing for Mamdani.
Nice to see ranked choice voting working.
Not that it doesn’t work, but just nice New York can actually fight over more valid candidates without spoiling the election (not that I care for Adam’s or Coumo either).
The democrats have been like this since at least Clinton.
Only one is an actual threat to how the Democrats do things.
It’s funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn’t really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all… this.
It’s certainly curious.
I like how she just invented her own hysterical interpretation of the interview where zohran wouldn’t condemn people for saying globalize the intifada, and then when confronted with the actual quote from zohran, including the “I won’t become mayor to be the word police,” and she takes that and says “actually, you DO have to be word police, you have to tell people its unacceptable to say things that other people may interpret as calling for the slaughter of millions of jews, even if you know those phrases mean something completely different from how jews feel about it”
The interviewer at that point is like well he didn’t say that and what he said doesn’t imply the killing of jews but okay youre clearly just a violently racist woman so lets take a question from a caller and end the interview
I hope she resigns if he wins, if not then her next election should be her last. Disgusting, hateful, disqualifying behavior from this woman in that interview.
globalize the intifada
I love everything about this.
I am forced to vote for Democrats.
They are trying to act Trumpian without acting too Trumpian.
If they’re not with Zohran, they’re against Democracy.
I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.
I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie’s stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.
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Yeah, you’re just an Islamaphobe. I know this because you’re specifically focusing on Islam, rather than every other major religion.
Spoken like a true chauvinist. The UK murdered tens of millions more in India alone under the guise of the values of enlightenment than Islam has in the past century and a half.
Islam makes women 2nd class citizens it’s a guise for enslaving a whole gender. Fuck Islam. Defending it means you don’t value 50% of humans.
Western chauvinism makes non-whites 2nd class citizens. It’s a guise for enslaving the whole global south. Fuck western chauvinism. Defending it means you don’t value 80% of humans.
Fundamentalists of any religion do this.
Yeah you’re right, unlike evangelical Christianity, which treats women as valuable and treasured members of society… Nah just kidding they are just ambulatory wombs that occasionally make noises as far as the evangelicals are concerned.
I am disgusted by religion, all religions, but let’s not blind ourselves to the reality that when religion is an excuse for shitty behaviour it’s not restricted to a single religion, and its not like getting rid of the religion would remove the shitty behaviour it would just mean coming up with a new justification.
I’m pretty sure they’re with Zohran because he’s literally the DNC candidate.
Yes, of course. That must be why they tried ferociously to stop him from winning the primary with Islamophobic smears and are now freaking out that they failed, and why the corporate media (yes, even the “liberal” media) are all crashing out.
Ah yes, the great DNC freakout of 2025. It was legendary. Why even Bill Clinton made such vile remarks as
Congratulations @ZohranKMamdani on your victory in yesterday’s primary election and a well-run campaign. I’m wishing you much success in November and beyond as you work to bring New Yorkers together to tackle the city’s challenges and shape a stronger, fairer future,
These horrible disgusting people would stop at nothing to keep them off their ticket. Except, of course, not inviting him to run on their ticket, for some reason.
They’re all maintaining decorum (something they would die before dropping) by congratulating him on his win while denouncing his policies and stopping short of endorsing him. Ever since his victory all the “liberal” corporate media has been praising the “energy” of his campaign while criticizing his policies as dangerous and painting his pro-palestinian views as anti-semitic. Don’t even try to pretend the way the DNC has been responding to this is normal. In nearly every other democratic primary the DNC have been quick to line up behind the victor.
this reads like someone who is more mad at Democrats than they are at Republicans, and also didn’t vote last year
Hi. I voted for Harris last year. I am also more mad at the Democrats than the Republicans. The Republicans are doing project 2025 and everything they ran on. The Democrats can’t do shit. They suck at being opposition. They broke the filibuster record for NO REASON. Not to prevent a trump appointment. Just because they want theatre politics. They are still voting for them, so yeah I’m more mad at the controlled opposition because I thought they would be actual opposition.
NOW the DNC wants to form some unified front? NOW? Really after all of these people VOTED for him. They are clowns and need to be replaced. Making a third party might not be viable but taking over the DNC like trump did the rnc is.
Two things can be true.
Democrats have let me down way more than Republicans. At least Republicans will do what they say they’re gonna do.
“You must have not voted” is a liberal’s equivalent of a Zionist’s “you’re an anti-Semite!”
Yes. A lost of people didn’t vote in the US elections last year. The ones who don’t live there make up the largest contingent. They’re unlikely to blame themselves.
So, an ML Leftist? Sounds about right. If we can’t have the PERFECT candidate, it’s best to just burn everything down in a fit of rage. Forward progress be damned, it’s their way or it’s a vinegary piss fit.
So, an ML Leftist?
That position isn’t specific to ML tendencies. I personally see more anti-electoralism rhetoric from anarchists, for obvious ideological reasons.
Observation: Democratic leaders are openly abandoning the “vote blue no matter who” standard when a leftist manages to win a major primary.
Your response: "when a centrist wins, remember to vote blue no matter who!’
“I don’t think we should bomb children”, “I think medial-debt shouldn’t be the largest cause of bankruptcy in our country”, “People should be able to oppose genocide”, “cops shouldn’t be able to assault innocent people without consequence”
“PERFECT candidate”
I think your definition of “perfect” might be a little off, as I think those are all fairly reasonable to ask for.
I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.
This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I’m not and have not been a fan of Harris. She’s still not Trump.
Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can’t) Like police reform can’t be done.
You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.
I’m not from US, but why not ask for something more than lesser of two evils?
Because that’s what we were given to choose from.
Insert long, tired diatribe about FPTP voting and the US two party system here.
TL;DR: Third party votes were effectively a vote for Trump. And while I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) this was always true, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Logically, third party votes were only “effectively a vote for Trump” if you assume that otherwise all of them would be votes for the Democrat Party AND that the Democrats could not possibly win without those people sacrificing their vote to a party that doesn’t represent them (i.e. that it would be impossible for the Democrats to appeal to those voters the way politicians are supposed to, by supporting policies that those voters wanted).
As an outsider, it’s painfully obvious that the Democrat Party establishment strategy was to try and get those votes without trying to appeal to those voters using the exactly Propaganda you’re still now parroting, and it failed miserably.
They tried to cheat at representative politics (by wanting the votes without offering representation) and failed (worse, failed when their adversary was a loudmouth buffoon), but you’re blaming those who wouldn’t vote for those who did not at all want to represent them.
Interestingly, Zohran is starting to show that the strategy of appealing to such voters is a winning strategy (in other words that the Democrat Party establishment did not won because of their refusal to represent in any way left of center voters), a proof which will become undeniable if the NY Mayoral race ends up as a three horse race with him, Cuomo and a Republican and he wins.
Because our elections system is fundamentally broken in such a way that creating or promoting something other than the existing two makes the side you like least more likely to win. As such, unless you can get literally the entire base of one of the major parties to switch to you in the span of a single election cycle, “asking for something more than the lesser of two evils” has mostly the same practical consequences as “asking for the greater evil”.
This largely breaks the premise of democracy, of course, because the two main parties don’t have to follow “the will of the people”, they just have to look slightly better in the eyes of their base than the other party. The way to fix it would be to greatly reform our election system, but that’s difficult to do (admittedly not entirely for bad reasons, it probably would not be ideal for authoritarians to make changes to that for example), and made worse by the fact that both parties benefit from the current system vs one where even more competition can exist.
That latter point means that what it would really take, is first usurping control of one of the existing parties from those that currently run it, and then getting those newcomers into enough power at a national level to get election reform done. That’s not a terribly likely path to work out, I’m afraid, but it’s probably all we’ve got short of an actual violent revolution (which have a high risk of failing or getting co-opted by authoritarians, and in any event are a lot harder to start than some people on the internet seem to think they are). This is probably why the establishment democrats hate this guy so much, despite him only running for mayor (of a large city admittedly, but still, not exactly president or anything). Popular candidates from outside their established group are exactly the kind of thing that you would need to start this process, and if successful that group would lose much of their power.
If they aren’t on the ballot nationally, its too late.
Because the system is specifically designed to prevent that from happening.
There are 3 years and 11 months many of us spend fighting for that. Then there’s one month where keeping the literal modern nazis out of power requires some unsavory choices.
If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Oh my god I feel this so much.
Did you take a stand and stick to principles? Yes! Congratulations. But if you cannot accept that in doing so, you effectively voted for whatever you felt the majority of votes would go to.
I am related to several people who voted 3rd party, are adamant they did nothing to assist Trump getting elected, but ALSO hold the opinion that congressional members who vote “present” instead of yes or no are cowards hiding behind a “no vote” because they want the majority to win but they don’t want to be on record for it.
What is a 3rd party vote if not “present”?
Lol I say I agree and I get shit on
The problem is that by reinforcing the narrative you reinforce the two party system. Noone believes in a third party so a third party cannot gain critical momentum because of people saying not to believe in a third party.
Repeating this mantra at every point makes it dogmatic to ensure the Democrats not faving any accountability for being a far right party with some gay rights sprinkled in between (but only if these arent inconvenient to uphold).
We have the same issue in proportional systems with a minimum votr to enter parliament. The threshold is lower but the game is the same. The old parties will always band together to fight any new party that could emerge and require them to deal with people they havent brought in line of the donor class yet.
We will say what we have always said: vote for the DNC candidate. Zohran Mamdani.
I say Democrats should be reformed in the primary, voted for in the election. The time to support Mamdani as a Democrat is now. (Billionaires like Ackman, Bloomberg aren’t real Republicans or Democrats anyway, they just have a lot of money and they want to back a horse that will let them keep it). The time to bring about a change in Democratic candidates ahead of the midterms (if they happen) and next general is now. In 2~4 years, it will then be time to vote in whoever’s been put forward as the best chance to stop fascism.
Schumer already did a kind of shy endorsement of Mamdani, after that the others politicians don’t have much room to stab the party in the back. The problem here are the donors; oligarchs are pissed.
My current bet would be that Cuomo will leave his name in the ballot out of spite but not really campaign, and lots of right wing Democrats will stay silent, while the oligarchs will try to resurrect Adams’ political career by throwing money at it (may all their donations burn into a pile of useless ash)
The same as before, that you made your choice to hand the White House to trump rather than a Democrat you didn’t agree with. It’s the same story down the ticket too. The Democrats may have run a lousy campaign, with poor candidates, but we all knew what the alternative was, and some ostensably left wing voters chose not to oppose that.
The same story down the ticket is that Democrats feel entitled to progressives votes and conitnously adjust to be just slightly better than Republicans.
As you saw they rather handed the country to Trump than stop a genocide and aclnowledge the cost of living crisis.
You have no power to reward people that feel entitled to your vote. You only have the power to punish them.
You didn’t “punish” them in the slightest, they’re not the ones who will suffer, you punished everyone else instead by deliberately acting to boost the republicans.
To be clear, this is not a good, or even acceptable situation, but it is the reality. Each voter had the choice to accept that reality and work within it to seek out the least bad result or vote as if their fantasy was true, and aid the republucans.
The time for trying to change the Democrat positions is every other day, not on the day of a massively consequential election.
Leftists didn’t lose Kamala the election. Leftists held their nose and voted for her haughty ass anyway. She was such an uninspiring candidate that less ideological voters, those that you have to actually try to come out, simply weren’t energized by her.
She didn’t lose because of Leftists staying home. She lost because she was uninspiring and didn’t stand for anything. She simply didn’t have the sauce.
Let’s be real. Roe would not have fallen without Trump. And the erosion of the 3 branch system would not have gotten this far. With DEMs.
But that’s what they do. While eroding the working class through continued subsidies to the rich. It’s why the middle class is dead. Yea, Reagan started that death but the Dems just took their payments and quietly kept things moving, between every Repub term, bringing us to the present state of the billionaire class, lack of middle class, and a country where 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck.
They’ll say they’re cool with rape. Isnt that what Cuomo is in trouble for?
They were cool with Biden sexually assaulting women, why wouldn’t they be cool with Cuomo being a rapist?
Bought and paid for and unwilling to lose their power at any cost it seems.
Most of the people we’re talking about are either members of the house or senate in our federal government. And our current system makes it very difficult to win or keep those specific seats unless you’re willing to be bought and paid for. Those who don’t do as they’re told will get primaried by an opponent who is much better funded. It is a system that is specifically set up to choose corrupt politicians.
We desperately need campaign finance reform, but none of those politicians who are bought and paid for are going to honestly support it. Realistically, I don’t see any way that we’ll see it unless there is an overwhelming popular sentiment in favor of it. Where everybody is truly upset about it and politicians’ hands are forced out of fear. But I don’t see that happening in America any time soon, when half the country is voting Republican.
