Why is fucking Newsom, the most neoliberal establishment motherfucker to ever walk the earth, the first Dem to figure out you can take these assholes down by just using their tactics against them?
It’s like if Pelosi just walked down onto the the chamber floor and just started yelling “okay boomer” every time someone tried to talk, while going the fortnight dance.
Because he’s also a narcissistic snake who has been self-interested and corrupt for years.
Which sadly, is exactly what we need to oppose the narcissistic snakes in power right now. We’re just fortunate that he is finding success and support to his liking in being the opposition we wish we had.
I support the tactic broadly, I hope the rest of the so-called Democrats pick it up and start mountain an actual “get in the dirty trenches” opposition that declaws Trump’s political capital.
I really can’t stand Newsom. The guy is some of the worst aspects of the Dem party (note I did not say “the left”) Virtually guarantees they’ll run him.
The American left constantly punching left even when they’re losing is why the American right ate your lunch. You guys cannot abide allies or any other leftists that aren’t of the exact same stripe, while the right unified. As a non American you guys make our head hurt
It’s more complicated than the mainstream narrative would let on. In the US the Democrats are a center right party, they’re more or less in agreement with what the previous republican administrations wanted, with the exception of a few gender related issues (LGBT, women’s rights, abortion). The new GOP is just much more extreme than usual. The Dems see this and are actively moving further right to try and get the leftover scraps of the extremists.
For example, most of the infrastructure that trump is using to round up brown people is stuff that was built under biden/obama. Deep down both parties want this, they’re just using it to bash each other as a matter of tradition.
The left is actually quite ideologically unified at this point, especially compared to historical trends. It’s better to think of the US as in a 3 party system where you have extreme right, center right, and a broad coalition of leftists, but all the infrastructure is only setup to allow two parties.
But… But… Biden and harris were complacent in the Gaza genocide and even though the opposition would be worse and do more damage elsewhere, I just couldn’t vote for imperfect. 🫠
I think what really caused Harris to lose was the constant everything is great and I won’t change anything messaging. People were struggling and she offered nothing.
Trump did offer something, but anyone with a memory greater than 4 years should have remembered his promises are lies, but here we are.
Harris and Biden all thought facts would help. Facts are great for policy decisions, not great for convincing people to support you.
If facts say that the economy is booming and everyone is off better however I don’t feel it, I don’t see it in my local community. Then fuck off with your facts.
Trumpie understands this. Any good sales person will tell you feelings are what closes sales. Trumpie harped on everyone’s feelings. People felt like the economy was leaving them behind AGAIN. Trumpie speaks like the common person, he’s able to relate to people. This is how Trumpie cons people. I imagine if you ran an analysis on all of Trumpie’s campaign statements, you wouldn’t find specific numbers. General, vague numbers at best.
It’s why Obama and Sanders can attract sell out crowds. Both of them know feelings are more important than facts.
This right here is another example of the issue. It’s not “facts” that the economy was good for the average citizen. Yes our economy was performing well, but our metrics are not designed to tell us how well people are affording rent or groceries. It’s designed to tell us how much is being produced. We can be more productive than ever, but that doesn’t matter if housing has never been more unaffordable for the average American.
We measure the economy based on the needs of capital, not the workers.
I don’t know, I think Tim Waltz figured it out and then the Harris campaign shut him down. The whether or not it works or not I’m not sure. Certainly doesn’t look like anything’s been taken down.
TL;DR: calling fascists weird was and is EXTREMELY effective messaging and pivoting away from it was probably one of the top reasons for Trump being able to infest the white house again.
I think Tim Waltz figured it out and then the Harris campaign shut him down
100%. Without a shadow of a doubt. Never underestimate the ability of the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in order to please the owner donors and/or uphold arbitrary institutional norms.
The whether or not it works or not I’m not sure.
It ABSOLUTELY worked. Harris/Walz were far ahead in the polls while they were still calling weirdos weird and then they nosedived when they switched from that to the 1992 playbook.
The Trump messaging works by convincing people that the fascists are the only normal ones/the in group in a world taken over by abnormal and immoral people of the out groups
Even SUGGESTING that they might be just another out group rather than the only in group weakens the “everything our Dear Leaders say or do is correct because it’s against the weirdos” narrative and more importantly the feeling of belonging and of being on the right side of history that the leaders of the cult have instilled in the followers.
Regular people have no problem being called weird (in fact, a lot of us actively celebrate our weirdness), but a fascist movement simply falls apart without the solid conviction that they’re the only sane and normal ones.
This went a little longer than I intended, so I’ll add a TL;DR at the top lol
Regular people have no problem being called weird (in fact, a lot of us actively celebrate our weirdness), but a fascist movement simply falls apart without the solid conviction that they’re the only sane and normal ones.
Somehow I had never made this connection until just now! It always struck me that just calling them “weird” seemed so effective, since it’s not even really an insult, but this makes complete sense.
So in other words, Newsom IS going to be the nominee unless Hakeem Jeffries somehow becomes presidential material by developing a personality between now and 2028.
Personally I hope he Jeb!s the primary. The republican electorate very quickly figured out when an establishment candidate was being rammed through and rejected it spectacularly. Let’s hope the Dems follow suit this time. There’s still a lot of time between now and the primary.
Why is fucking Newsom, the most neoliberal establishment motherfucker to ever walk the earth, the first Dem to figure out you can take these assholes down by just using their tactics against them?
It’s like if Pelosi just walked down onto the the chamber floor and just started yelling “okay boomer” every time someone tried to talk, while going the fortnight dance.
Because he’s also a narcissistic snake who has been self-interested and corrupt for years.
Which sadly, is exactly what we need to oppose the narcissistic snakes in power right now. We’re just fortunate that he is finding success and support to his liking in being the opposition we wish we had.
I support the tactic broadly, I hope the rest of the so-called Democrats pick it up and start mountain an actual “get in the dirty trenches” opposition that declaws Trump’s political capital.
I really can’t stand Newsom. The guy is some of the worst aspects of the Dem party (note I did not say “the left”) Virtually guarantees they’ll run him.
The American left constantly punching left even when they’re losing is why the American right ate your lunch. You guys cannot abide allies or any other leftists that aren’t of the exact same stripe, while the right unified. As a non American you guys make our head hurt
It’s more complicated than the mainstream narrative would let on. In the US the Democrats are a center right party, they’re more or less in agreement with what the previous republican administrations wanted, with the exception of a few gender related issues (LGBT, women’s rights, abortion). The new GOP is just much more extreme than usual. The Dems see this and are actively moving further right to try and get the leftover scraps of the extremists.
For example, most of the infrastructure that trump is using to round up brown people is stuff that was built under biden/obama. Deep down both parties want this, they’re just using it to bash each other as a matter of tradition.
The left is actually quite ideologically unified at this point, especially compared to historical trends. It’s better to think of the US as in a 3 party system where you have extreme right, center right, and a broad coalition of leftists, but all the infrastructure is only setup to allow two parties.
But… But… Biden and harris were complacent in the Gaza genocide and even though the opposition would be worse and do more damage elsewhere, I just couldn’t vote for imperfect. 🫠
I think what really caused Harris to lose was the constant everything is great and I won’t change anything messaging. People were struggling and she offered nothing.
Trump did offer something, but anyone with a memory greater than 4 years should have remembered his promises are lies, but here we are.
Harris and Biden all thought facts would help. Facts are great for policy decisions, not great for convincing people to support you.
If facts say that the economy is booming and everyone is off better however I don’t feel it, I don’t see it in my local community. Then fuck off with your facts.
Trumpie understands this. Any good sales person will tell you feelings are what closes sales. Trumpie harped on everyone’s feelings. People felt like the economy was leaving them behind AGAIN. Trumpie speaks like the common person, he’s able to relate to people. This is how Trumpie cons people. I imagine if you ran an analysis on all of Trumpie’s campaign statements, you wouldn’t find specific numbers. General, vague numbers at best.
It’s why Obama and Sanders can attract sell out crowds. Both of them know feelings are more important than facts.
This right here is another example of the issue. It’s not “facts” that the economy was good for the average citizen. Yes our economy was performing well, but our metrics are not designed to tell us how well people are affording rent or groceries. It’s designed to tell us how much is being produced. We can be more productive than ever, but that doesn’t matter if housing has never been more unaffordable for the average American.
We measure the economy based on the needs of capital, not the workers.
Purity tests are one of the biggest downfalls of the left.
I don’t know, I think Tim Waltz figured it out and then the Harris campaign shut him down. The whether or not it works or not I’m not sure. Certainly doesn’t look like anything’s been taken down.
TL;DR: calling fascists weird was and is EXTREMELY effective messaging and pivoting away from it was probably one of the top reasons for Trump being able to infest the white house again.
100%. Without a shadow of a doubt. Never underestimate the ability of the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in order to please the owner donors and/or uphold arbitrary institutional norms.
It ABSOLUTELY worked. Harris/Walz were far ahead in the polls while they were still calling weirdos weird and then they nosedived when they switched from that to the 1992 playbook.
The Trump messaging works by convincing people that the fascists are the only normal ones/the in group in a world taken over by abnormal and immoral people of the out groups
Even SUGGESTING that they might be just another out group rather than the only in group weakens the “everything our Dear Leaders say or do is correct because it’s against the weirdos” narrative and more importantly the feeling of belonging and of being on the right side of history that the leaders of the cult have instilled in the followers.
Regular people have no problem being called weird (in fact, a lot of us actively celebrate our weirdness), but a fascist movement simply falls apart without the solid conviction that they’re the only sane and normal ones.
This went a little longer than I intended, so I’ll add a TL;DR at the top lol
Somehow I had never made this connection until just now! It always struck me that just calling them “weird” seemed so effective, since it’s not even really an insult, but this makes complete sense.
Well said!
Just give me a fucking fair primary, please. I’m going to lose my goddamn mind if they ram Newsom through like they did with Clinton and Biden.
Do they even need primaries at all anymore? We’ll just vote for whoever they select because it’ll be less damaging than the Republican.
It depends on how much contempt they have for electorate. And their propensity to learn anything.
I don’t like these odds
Didn’t learn much from 2016.
If they won’t learn on their own, they must be taught.
So in other words, Newsom IS going to be the nominee unless Hakeem Jeffries somehow becomes presidential material by developing a personality between now and 2028.
Personally I hope he Jeb!s the primary. The republican electorate very quickly figured out when an establishment candidate was being rammed through and rejected it spectacularly. Let’s hope the Dems follow suit this time. There’s still a lot of time between now and the primary.
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