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    The agents that abused their authority need to be punished, but I would be more interested in punishing the people in power that enabled this mess or ignored what was going on.

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    This is one of those things that can never be forgiven. There were so many instances of abuse of power.

    Too many to not notice

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    Please promise to yourself right now that we will not let them be forgiven. We will not let whatever centrist Democrats convince us to “move forward” and “let us heal”. These officers need to be given Nuremberg Trials. If we get control of this government, EVERY one of these ICE agents who raided or abducted even one person, get sent to prison. I hope for life.

    I don’t care if they have kids, lovers, parents, friends, grandkids. After these years there will be people dead, permanently traumatized, and permanently disabled.

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      Yep, the lesser Bush and Trump I shows that Democrats are not interested in punishing crimes committed by Republicans.

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      I mean the voters are the accountability. Seems like the right show up with weapons and plan A, B, and C that they have organised for the past year.

      The left show up with knowledge of how to get arrested. And it’s getting frustrating to watch. We need to start asking ourselves why they do things at can’t muster half the strength for

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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    Why not, it helped for many nazis after the second world war. Many got convicted, but also many didn’t.

    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.netOP
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      Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone’s clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it’s not going to be a blanket shield.

      1 Was a constitutional right violated?

      2 Was the right clearly established at the time of the alleged violation?

      https://www.justia.com/civil-rights/government-violations-of-civil-rights/qualified-immunity/

      Under this doctrine, government agents—including but not limited to police officers—can never be sued for violating someone’s civil rights, unless they violated “clearly established law.” While this is an amorphous, malleable standard, it generally requires civil rights plaintiffs to show not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case with functionally identical facts.

      In other words, it is entirely possible—and quite common—for courts to hold that government agents did violate someone’s rights, but that the victim has no legal remedy, simply because that precise sort of misconduct had not occurred in past cases.

      https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/insights-on-law-and-society/volume-21/issue-1/qualified-immunity/

      While yes, IANAL, I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.

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    So you are talking about the agents removing illegal people from the country

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      If you ever want to see if you’re on the right side of history, just look at your words:

      “Illegal people” is a vile concept.

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        As a cishet white male in the USA, anyone afraid of being “replaced” should actually be replaced. Net positive for the country.

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      Just so we’re clear, this isn’t Truth Social or X. Folks only engage with the bigots and racists here for fun. When it’s done being fun you just get blocked. If that’s an entertaining way for you to conduct yourself online, go right ahead.

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        I have found it is useless trying to have discourse with them. I just meow at them. It’s fun and confuses them.

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        It’s ok, take deep breaths and relax ok, it’s going to be all ok

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        And that was not what I was asking, was it. When Obama deported 3000000 people, where were your camps then. And if people are removed illegally yes that is wrong. But I am to shut up.

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          The truth is forbidden on the far left, just as it is on the far right. You’re wasting your time explaining.

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            Yes you are correct, but sometimes I do hope there is someone there. That realize it’s ok to think another way. That is after all, that got the human race were we are today.

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      A person cannot be “illegal.”

      But they can be ignorant, bigoted, and hateful. Obviously.

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      Maybe we should lend less credence to a law making certain people illegal that was passed while the Nazis controlled Germany.