Right here, what do you want?
Apparently you’re supposed to bring up politics when commenting on cat pictures or something.
What do you have to say for yourself?
Told you so?
How?
The Democrats insisted their candidate was good enough, but we weren’t on board? We said that, and got ignored, and the Dems lost
Nobody was denying that was an outcome, just that it was a daft one. That’s why they were trying to convince you it was daft. You could only say ‘Told you so’, if what they were saying wasn’t true.
It wouldn’t have changed the outcome regardless of how we voted or what we said. But the criticisms we were making weren’t just about our own values or preferences, they were things that would have allowed her to appeal to a much broader section of the population. It was not our willingness to criticize and take a stand that caused this, but the Democrats’ stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to criticism.
Ultimately, it just goes to show the necessity of building a better party from the ground up. The one thing Democrats are supposed to be good for is keeping Trump out, they’ve abandoned any pretence of actually helping people or not committing mass murder, and they can’t even do that. It’s a sinking ship.
It introduced apathy that could’ve changed the outcome. You’re not including all the people who didn’t vote.
There were no easy policies that would’ve led to victory. Doesn’t matter if the policies are objectively good or popular as she was up against a misinformation machine. She ran a near perfect campaign in the time she had. And Biden only came back initially because yous already voted Trump in once. You got exactly the government you deserve unfortunately.
Could’ve united and killed the republicans party. Locked Trump up. Shifted the Overton window back and gotten some leftists as the opposition but looks like you’ll need to do it the hard way.
I’ve historically voted 3rd party. This past election i voted for a party that did not represent me or the policies I support, all out of fear of orange man. What did compromising my values do? Fuck all.
Voting 3rd party in America sends the message to the losing party that if they wanted that vote there is policy they need to adopt. There are things they need to change.
Issue in this election is even if every 3rd party vote went to kamala, she would have still lost, because they ran THAT MUCH of a terrible campaign. Their message was tone deaf. It was generic and lifeless. I could have been a better campaign manager for them and frankly that’s sad.
People get pissy when you criticize dems, but the fact of the matter is they are very much the problem in this country too. Saying they aren’t as bad as Republicans only speaks to just how awful they are, not how good dems are. Until people recognize this and demand change everyone is going to be stuck supporting one of two evils or maybe a 3rd party can steal enough support to replace one of the main 2.
All that hinges on trump not going full dictator. At this point I don’t have confidence enough Americans would actually stand up to stop him.
You done the right thing, don’t fall for the psyops.
Kamala’s campaign was not that terrible in comparison to the state of Trump. Your fellow citizens failed you by letting that eejit gain ground.
Saying they aren’t as bad as Republicans only speaks to just how awful they are, not how good dems are.
I am an anarchist. I’ve never voted. (Not American) But, Bush, Clinton, Obama, much of the same. Trump takes us down a dangerous path. One in which dissident and protest will be squashed.
No offense but you are not American, who is us?
The world. More immediately, the west. Him and his daft son already meddling in our countries affairs.
I’ve historically voted 3rd party. This past election i voted for a party that did not represent me or the policies I support, all out of fear of orange man. What did compromising my values do? Fuck all.
Me too except biden in 2020. And then immediately from the start it was endless frustration, disappointment and anger. Gaza is inexcusable. Fuck the democrats. Fuck America. This country got exactly what it fucking deserved. Karma for meddling in the rest of the worlds affairs by the capitalist imperialist uniparty that pretends to be at odds with each other over social wedge issues yet is United in keeping the entire world under its boot. Now america gets to experience the collapse of the imperial core.
Needless to say I didn’t repeat my mistake of voting for democrats in 2024. I’ll never vote for them again.
Right here, what do you want?
Generally speaking, I think we want you to be a more intelligent voter.
You voted for somebody complicit in a genocide. You call that intelligent? Do you think it becomes intelligent because 70+ million other people also did it? Real “if everyone else jumped off a bridge” moment.
You voted for somebody complicit in a genocide.
I voted for someone whose values, and whose party’s values, are closer to what I believe is best for average citizens in the United States of America, based on hard data over the course of decades. If the other option was better for Palestine then maybe your argument would make sense…but that isn’t the case, so it doesn’t.
Instead, 3rd party voters voted for candidates that had absolutely, positively, undeniably no chance of winning, and now they get a president that least represents their ideals.
Real intelligent.
The only way to create a viable third party is to vote for them. America needs a third choice.
I don’t remember third party proponents. I remember the depression and realization that both parties continue to work hard to make this country suck more.
Well I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the UK election, how slow American elections are is rather amusing to me. You were campaigning this time last year and the new government hasn’t yet taken power. Meanwhile ours was all done in a few weeks.
OTOH, been seeing lots of posts brought to you by the “democrats don’t need to change, it’s the voters who are wrong” gang.
The voters voted in Trump again so maybe there’s something there.
I mean, yeah, sure. There’s a lot of fucking scumbag MAGA people. There’s also a lot of people who pay almost no attention to politics at all and have a lot of problems.
Quick! In one sentence, summarize Kamala’s campaign pitch. If you did it without mentioning Trump or Biden, I’m impressed, good job, I’m pretty interested in what you came up with. Now, do Trump. Probably something stupid like “you’ll be winning so much” or whatever, right? If you knew nothing at all about politics, which one sounds better? For someone who isn’t paying attention, maybe distrusts all politicians equally (for better or worse), probably Trump’s. Of course, he’s going to be fucking catastrophic for anyone who isn’t a billionaire, but I’m just talking campaign pitches. The point is that the democrats need to take this opportunity to get their shit together and start working on a better pitch than “not Trump”.
Her pitch was pretty clear and she gave concrete policies all the time this was just a narrative pushed by MAGA
What was she clear about again ? Her overwhelming support for the Genocide of Gaza ? Yes
Off the top of my head
- Being the objectively better option on Gaza. Actually responded like a human and cared about public pressure here saying things like “International humanitarian law must be respected” and advocated for a 2-state solution vs Trumps ‘We’re gonna tell them do whatever they want to get the job done’ (greater israel incoming)
- Said she would pass a middle class tax cut that will benefit 100m+ Americans
- $25k for first-time homebuyers
- Maintain/increase the surging Economy
- Give women reproductive freedom.
- Continue to move towards universal single payer healthcare.
- Continue the advancements in non fossil fuel energy development.
better option on Gaza
DOUBT!
Said she would pass a middle class tax cut that will benefit 100m+ Americans
Yeah right, why wasn’t it done already then?
$25k for first-time homebuyers
Big whoop, homes will increase 25k in price.
Maintain/increase the surging Economy
Surging economy for whom?! the liberal elites? Yeah ok.
Give women reproductive freedom.
And the democrats had FIFTY FUCKING YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead. YEAH RIGHT. That’s total bullshit. If she was serious why didn’t it happen under biden and why would it magically happen under her? No, nothing would change. Just more fundraising, this dumbass spent a billion to lose an election because nobody fucking believes a word out of democrat mouths anymore for good fucking reason! Like an abusive romantic relationship where the partner constantly promises change and never delivers and then gaslights you over it. And you wonder why they’re breaking up!
Continue to move towards universal single payer healthcare.
Bullshit and empty promises. Democrat senator from Connecticut joe Lieberman single-handedly killed Obamacare’s public option after being bribed by the insurance companies that are headquartered in his state. He’s dead but there’s always a democrat patsy to protect the capitalists they actually represent. Sinema, Manchin, the unheard of senate parliamentarian when it came to raising the federal minimum wage. There’s always somebody democrat aligned to protect corporate donors interests and block any kind of meaningful reform.
Continue the advancements in non fossil fuel energy development.
Too little too late. See the LA wildfires for an example. We’re already cooked. The time to act was decades ago but did the democrats do anything meaningful? NO! They protected their corporate donors and the capitalist class as they always do. Schadenfreude watching the houses of the extreme wealthy burn!
The argument wasn’t whether or not people believed her. It was on whether or not they knew what the policies were.
But to deny she was the better option for Gaza is just delusion.
No, I know she gave concrete policies, I watched the debate. What I mean is that
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The policies weren’t much to write home about
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I’m asking about the elevator pitch. Give me the campaign message in one sentence.
Continuing the good things Biden had done (chips act, student debt cancellation, etc), while protecting reproductive rights, at least pretending to treat minorities like humans, while being the only rational option that had a chance.
My life has gotten markedly worse since biden and so has that of all my coworkers. More of the same “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden except as a first black Indian woman president!!! is simply not appealing and it has nothing to do with identity politics. This economy is destroying the working class. My entire department coworkers voted for trump, almost all of them for the first time. It’s vermont. They’re pro women, pro lgbtq, don’t care about race. But Biden’s economic policies did not help them at all. All of the twice obama thrice trump voters? Same fucking thing. But that doesn’t fit the neat little identity politics narrative conveniently invented to keep people from talking about class issues and gaining class consciousness. You see, the working class greatly surpasses the ruling class in size and we’re heavily armed. Don’t want the working class getting any ideas so best to invent or manipulate identity issues to keep it divided.
If only you’d talk to people instead of parroting liberal MSM talking points that remind me of bush claiming Islamic terrorism was because they hate us! And not you know, the product of decades of US intervention in the Middle East especially the support of Israel’s bullshit.
But objectively Bidens policies were better for them. This is the problem with voting on feels and not data. Unless they voted for Trump to burn the system down in hopes that’d improve things, they voted for their situations to worsen. As well as the situation of those vulnerable groups they ‘care’ about.
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The best solution to the two parties excluding the left isn’t a third party, it’s for the left to register as Republicans and conduct a hostile takeover of the GOP in the primaries.
This can easily succeed in blue states/cities to start out.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. The Democrats are very good at controlling the outcomes of their primaries, but the Republicans don’t seem as capable. They threw everything they had at stopping Trump in 2016, came up short, and then allowed him to completely restructure the party. I wonder if it might be easier for a progressive to run in an open Republican primary in a district the broader GOP isn’t trying to compete in, then try and take out the Democrat in the general. It might be more effective than primarying Democrats directly.
The election is over, did you expect them to keep telling you to vote 3rd party when there is no election to vote for them in? Perhaps you noticed that all the “Vote Harris” commercials stopped too?
If they’re legitimate users, I expected them to continue to exist, occasionally commenting on memes and cat pictures and whatnot like the rest of us.
But they’re entirely gone instead, almost as if they stopped working once they stopped getting paid.
I’ve been around, commenting on stuff! Which specific users are you talking about disappearing? I’d love to see actual evidence for this conspiracy theory!
The one(s?) that got permabanned for posting about third parties, apparently.
I gotta booted off world for telling the truth about the democrat party, that they’re the party of useful idiots and only exist to stop the left. They’d rather lose to a fascist than appeal to the left. It says way more about who they actually represent than the voters themselves. The democrats and republicans are both the party of capital. The democrats just pretend to be progressive. Where was Kamala Harris when the tie breaking senate vote to protect the NLRB seat was going on? They don’t even hide how much they hate the working class now that they lost the election.
Name one.
I still point out once a week. Republicans and Democrats are the problem. Entirely ditch both parties and grab a third party that’s actually terrified of happening to them, what just happened to the Republican’s and Democrats and taking our country back from the damn thieves.
But I guess with eye sight like that, you would have trouble seeing what’s right in front of you.
You know it’s funny, but I’ve NEVER seen a comment or a post from you guys saying “BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME, HERE ARE 10 EXAMPLES THAT PROVE IT”
But I have seen plenty of comments and posts listing example after example of just how different the progressive party is from the conservatives.
All I ever see from Team BSS is the same generic “both sides same lol because thats how I FEEL” type of answer. Never any receipts to backup those feels, I wonder why?
It’s really not hard to see why bss. It’s plastered everywhere at this point. Both parties are corrupt and cater to corporate interests. They take legal bribes and hurt the working class as a result.
If you’re truly not a bot or paid state actor, you’ve gotta be real hardheaded to stick to this take.
Can we stop letting the same 4 people make these posts to just get the dopamine kicks from starting the arguments over all over again?
It’s pointless grandstanding to get a fight started and that is basically it and it’s the same people every time. People should just be blocking these accounts cause if anyone seems like permanently online trolls or shills it’s these accounts making these exact posts like clockwork every single week.
It’s lazy and the mods seem to let it happen cause they get a kick from the banning they can dish out.
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“Hey, let’s vote for a candidate who literally cannot win from a party that hasn’t done the necessary work to become nationally viable because I don’t want to be part of the two party problem even though if we do so it will guarantee that a felon rapist who incited an insurrection, stripped women of a human right, and illegally attempted to overturn an election will win.” - Dipshit 3rd Party Voters
Just as stupid as Trump supporters, as far as I’m concerned.
Well, they got what we told them they’d be getting. Why aren’t they celebrating?
Point A. Mathematically, the third party voters did not cost you the election. Not in terms of the raw popular vote comparison, not in terms of the electoral college vote comparison.
Point B. No candidate is owed your vote. A “third party” candidate must be judged on the same merits as a “first”/“second” party candidate. The first and second party candidates are both complicit in genocide and/or genocidal incitement. They are literally war criminals. The only argument you can make for the preference of the first/second party candidates is not based on merit, but popularity alone. It’s circular logic to justify a population voting for a candidate on the basis of popularity - “we must vote for them because we’re voting for them”. This only appears to make sense when viewed in terms of an individual choice, but the logic completely breaks down when viewed in terms of group behavior. I cannot stress enough that this is an absolutely basic question in terms of civic engagement in a so-called “representative democracy”, and yet a staggering amount of you have not even thought about it.
Start from scratch on the logic. What is the ENTIRE framework we’re using to select candidates, as a population? When compared against other frameworks, how do we evaluate which framework is ideal, based on its long-term consequences for a society? If you have not already thoroughly answered this question for yourself, you are not qualified for this discussion in the first place.
A) The third party voters convinced a lot of people not to vote.
B) You owe it to yourself to vote for the better option. All that over complication you’re doing is meaningless. Third parties can’t win. In reality the choice was Trump or not-Trump.
The Harris and Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
What did you expect? The election cycle do be like that.
I wish the Trump supporters would go silent.
If those “green voters” actually gave a shit about getting their candidate elected, you’d hear from them for more than 2 months every 4 years.
But no, that was never the goal. Their goal was for Trump to win
Trump promoters also suddenly went quiet the day after the election.
I wish
They are still in Russia. They moved on to fucking with the German election now I believe.
i noticed the gaza campaigning seems to have almost gone now the election is over too
Yeah, I wish they’d promote the Green party here.
But with our voting system they have to promote the nazis directly.
Which they are unfortunately doing very successfully, along with fucking Elon Musk.America, could you please keep your billionaires to yourself? They’re annoying as hell.
My city has a new Marxist Leninist party that has started up after the election. So no they aren’t gone, but they are still harebrained.
