Mr. Rogers would be so ashamed of us. He tried so hard.

Nah, I think they’re held to a pretty similar standard.

There aren’t enough LOLs in the universe for me to respond to this. Like, this is one of the silliest comments I’ve ever read. If you honestly believe that both parties are held to similar standards, you are either super young and haven’t been around long enough to know better, or you just REALLY don’t pay attention. IMAGINE a Democrat president doing a FRACTION of what Trump has done, even just in the last 3 months. Not to mention the last presidency. Just IMAGINE it. IMAGINE Democrats in Congress saying things like what Marjorie Taylor Greene has said. They’d be fucking GONE. To say that both parties are held to a similar standard requires a level of ignorance I simply cannot fathom.

If the voting-base you are trying to win over is angry about how things are going, and you offer them a solution, they’ll likely vote for you.

How far back does your memory go? Donald Trump said he had “concepts of plans” which is him openly stating he doesn’t have a fucking plan. Meanwhile, Harris ended up laying out her economic plan. So only one candidate had a fucking plan, and Americans chose to vote for the one that didn’t. They also chose to vote for a FELON RAPIST instead of a literal fucking prosecutor with a doctorate in law.

STUPID. COUNTRY.

but lets not pretend that she was anything but right-wing

She’s part of an organization that regularly votes for liberal policies and against conservative policies and regularly speaks out against right-wing politics. Can you give some examples of why you believe she is right-wing?

She campaigned on “Genocide is good, and we should keep bombing children, and I love my guns”,

It’s hard to take you seriously when you make emotional comments like this. Pretty sure here in reality she didn’t run on “genocide is good”. More like “Israel is our most important ally in the Middle East, so this is complicated”.

then campaigned with the Cheneys

If some right-wing mega stars want to come out in opposition to Trump and what their party has become, I’m not entirely against that. Did it end up making the difference? No. So what? How is it hard right to get someone on your enemy’s team to speak out against your enemy? Is everything hard right to you? Is hard right in the room with you right now?

doesn’t mean Biden’s wasn’t shitty.

Again, you haven’t done your homework. Put down Lemmy and start looking into the economic stats. Our economy was recovering well under the Biden administration. By all metrics. Which was impressive since a world wide pandemic destroyed supply lines, among other things.

I did do my homework.

It sounds like you’re just nitpicking things he didn’t do for you and not really acknowledging all the things he did. Which you can, and probably will do, with every president. Like student loans. No other president has forgiven student loans. He did. For many. Despite the Supreme Court blocking him at every turn. But in your eyes he just failed at student loans because he didn’t forgive as much as you wanted him to. Like you think he can just do whatever without any opposition from Congress or the SC. Spoiler alert, no president accomplishes everything you want them to. The one we have now will not accomplish ANYTHING you want him to.

Of course Americans don’t know shit about politics or statistics or legislation. That’s how politics works.

Lol. What? Do you think every electorate on this planet is as ignorant as the American electorate? Of course not. That’s why other first world countries have things like universal healthcare and paternal leave and mandatory paid vacation. What planet do you live on? Why are you making excuses for people failing to do their civic duty?

But Americans know that they are getting screwed, and they saw Biden in office while they were getting screwed.

Welcome to every presidency, ever. So you’re acknowledging that the American electorate is so ignorant and irresponsible, that if everything isn’t the way they want it, and they feel like they’re getting screwed in some way (which they will always feel), they’ll either throw their hands up and not vote, or vote in such a way as to ensure someone LESS competent is able to step in? So you’re agreeing with me that the fault lies with the American people for not informing themselves responsibly? That political candidates have to treat Americans like idiot children instead of grown ass responsible adults? Whose fault does that sound like?

but instead she ran a campaign that addressed the concerns of the rich, and the concerns of the right-wing.

Can you provide some examples, instead of just your feelings? Because I remember her eventually laying out her economic plan and how it benefitted the average person. Something Trump utterly failed to do. Keep in mind that this isn’t just about one candidate sucking off every last American for their vote. There’s also another candidate you have to take into account, and this one was a FELON RAPIST, so maybe Americans should take into account that they’re not just voting FOR someone, but AGAINST someone.

I saw her run an absolutely terrible campaign.

I saw her run a campaign INFINITELY better than her opponent. You know, since it actually included policy. Whereas the other guy simply said “I have concepts of plans”. The American people voted for a guy that straight up said he didn’t have a plan instead of a woman that laid her plan out. And you’re over here defending the American people and trying to deflect fault from them onto the ONLY candidate with a fucking plan? Please.

The only thing we agree on is that Democrats need to do a better job listening to their constituents going forward. But this last election is 100% on the American people. They failed. Because the differences in competency between the candidates (and parties) was so insane that for things to turn out the way they did is absolutely the American electorate’s fault. This was the easiest decision between two options EVER. And Americans failed.

There’s only one way I like my fascists.

And I like them very much that way.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious.

But whether she was or not, a 3rd party candidate for president can only serve to split votes and increase the possibility of the worst candidate winning. And that will be the case until a 3rd party starts getting serious and getting representatives in Congress.

It’s a literal joke to vote for a 3rd party candidate when they don’t even have reps in either house of Congress. Do the people who vote 3rd party not think about what would happen if one magically won when they have no one from their party in Congress to help achieve their agenda?

The Geronocrats are not going to save us from fascism.

And neither are the American people. They had an opportunity. They failed. Because they got so caught up with single issue/culture war bullshit that they let a felon rapist traitor waltz into the Oval Office instead of choosing a prosecutor with a doctorate in law who wasn’t EXACTLY what they wanted her to be.

You can keep blaming Democrats, or you can accept that Americans failed an open book test.

Strawman.

Also, Biden doesn’t convict. That’s not how it works.

Edit: I’m extremely saddened to know that, as of right now, there are 5 downvotes from people who are either unaware of what a strawman is, or wholly believe that Biden actually has the power to convict people. This country is in a lot of trouble with this many uninformed people out there.

She ran hard to the right

I think you and I have a different definition of “hard right”. If you think Harris was “hard right”, what would you consider our current situation?

She would have continued the shitty economy that Americans were upset with.

I think you and I have a different definition of “shitty economy”. If you thought we had a “shitty economy” under Biden, what would you consider our current situation?

She said she wouldn’t do anything different than a highly unpopular president.

You can listen to dumbasses who thought Biden was some awful president, whose qualifications for believing so are their feelings, or you can do your homework and find out that he was actually a progressive and legislatively successful president who passed some really beneficial bills for the American people.

Have you spoken to an average American? They don’t know jack shit about politics. They don’t keep up with legislation. They don’t pay attention to statistics. And you’re telling me that American’s failure to pay attention, like responsible citizens in a democracy, is a single candidate’s fault? That because she may not have run the best campaign possible that it isn’t American’s fault for allowing an already failed felon rapist traitor to be our leader…again?

Our society is a reflection of our electorate. It sucks because our electorate is largely idiotic. Not because one candidate didn’t run a perfect campaign against a felon rapist.

So basically, whether Democrats lie or not, they lose because they’re held to a different standard and a felon rapist gets to sink our nation.

Man, what a stupid country.

pArTy Of SmALL gOvErNmEnT

It’s a combination of them being young and dumb, but also being brought up mind-fucked by social media from the beginning of their lives.

Just here to point out that the 3rd party candidate with the most votes was Jill Stein with a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast.

There is no viable 3rd party. And there won’t be until they start working to get elected at the local/state level and start getting members in Congress.

We need a third party like four months ago.

Then tell one to do the back-breaking work over decades to start having members in Congress so they have a shot at winning a presidential election.

There isn’t some cheat code for a 3rd party candidate to become president.

I like that America chose to microscopically analyze and criticize Harris while a felon rapist traitor who shits on our Constitution and tanks our economy waltzed into the Oval Office.

Sounds like you ended up making the right decision, but so many others didn’t. Couldn’t see the forest for the trees. Because America is dumb.

The bottom line is America isn’t going to jeopardize their allegiance with Israel. They’re our most important ally in the Middle East.

So what you’re really saying is you would have preferred if Democrats lied like Republicans and said during the election that they would put their foot down regarding Israel, only to take that back once elected.

And honestly, I would agree with you. So many dumbasses in this country chose to vote 3rd party or not vote because of the whole Israel/Palestine thing that now a felon rapist traitor who shits on our Constitution and tanks our economy is president. So yeah, I kinda wish Democrats just pulled a Republican move and blatantly lied about their intentions during the election and then walked it all back after winning.

Single issue voters/abstainers make me nauseous. Especially when so much is on the line.

And now we’re learning the hard way.

It’s no use. Americans would much rather place blame on a candidate, one that was INFINITELY better than the other, than accept responsibility as an electorate for failing.

Harris was perfectly fine. A successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law. She would have continued a progressive agenda. She would have maintained economic stability. I’m sure it wouldn’t have been as progressive as many would like, but certainly better than our current state of affairs with a president who shits all over our Constitution and is tanking our economy 3 months in.

The bottom line is the American electorate failed an open book test. Too many fools who chose to become single issue voters. Too many fools who thought it would be wise to vote for a 3rd party in a presidential election, despite having literally ZERO chance of winning. Too many fools who abdicated their responsibility as citizens in a democracy because they weren’t pleased with their options. This was one of, if not the easiest, election we’ll ever have in our lives. And we failed. Because we aren’t a very intelligent society.

What if, like in the last election, your only viable options were a moderate or a felon rapist traitor?

Because people having your mentality is why the felon rapist traitor is our president.

I dunno. Pretty sure a wet paper bag would have been better than a felon rapist traitor who’s shitting on our Constitution and tanking our economy.

how do we get viable third parties?

By having a third party that’s willing to put in the work and do things the right way.

So, instead of having a do-nothing candidate like Jill Stein who shows up right before every election, then disappears again after only obtaining a half of a single percent of the total votes, we’d have to have a third party that started focusing on winning local/state elections. That would allow them to start having more than ZERO members in the houses of Congress, which is currently the case. And once they have members in Congress, from various districts around the country, then they’d have a real chance at running a presidential candidate who can win.

Make no mistake. Anyone that currently votes for a 3rd party candidate for president is an utter fool. And there are A LOT of them on Lemmy. A 3rd party cannot win. They are nowhere near winning. Because they haven’t put in the work to create a coalition to actually start having a presence in our government.

If the last election with a female prosecutor and VP on one side and a male felon rapist traitor on the other didn’t convince you that women cannot win the presidency in America, I’m not sure what will.

Cold. Hard. Truth. We just aren’t there as a society yet.

If we want to win, probably gonna need to go with a person who has a dick between their legs.