I have recently talked to a Chinese friend of mine who started talking about how smart Trump is etc. She previously only gained her knowledge through the Chinese media and not the “western propaganda”, so it was her first exposure to the non-CCP-controlled stuff. I told her “you sound like you read FOX news”. She replied with “hahah yes, how did you know?”
This made me realize that she is very prone to getting manipulated and not doing any fact-checking. However, this situation made me reflect on my own news-sourcing skills.
How do you deal with the issue and what can I do step-by-step to verify the news that I read myself and at the same time a way that I can recommend to my Chinese friend so that she doesn’t fall for the most obvious tricks so easily?
I never trust any source of information.
For every article, no matter the source, I think if what they say is logical and coherent. If there’s any conflict of interest or if the source may be interested into pushing a particular agenda. If there’s something real attached, like the article is talking about a new law or scientific paper or something officially published, or maybe a video, I try to go find the original source and read it directly.
After all that I try to only believe the parts that I could verify or find logical and coherent, discarding the rest as that particular media propaganda (which is also useful to know that several people is going to think that).
Teach her about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
tl;dr: it’s not enough to find a theory that fits the facts — famously “all swans are white” — you have try and then fail to falsify your own theory — for examplefinding a single black swan.
In this case it’s not enough to watch Fox News and hear something about Trump that sounds good — and then stop — you have to look for evidence that Trump is not a good leader and then fail to. But of course we know there is lots of counter evidence so…
This is a basic premise of scientific method.
While this is great advice, it requires the ability to distinguish plausible from implausible claims and from what OP describes, we’re not at that point yet.
E.g. if you google “why is Trump a bad leader.” And then read i.e. “Tariffs are hurting the economy.” And then you look for “Are tariffs good for the economy?” you will find pages both saying they are and they aren’t.
This Is the best response Ive read so far. The only thing id add is that this falls under Epistemology. that word alone IMO is dangerous to any regime.
I’m still waiting for evidence that Trump is a good leader, since all of the things he is supposedly doing are not actually true.
You can still get extremely distorted news even if your news sources don’t tell actual falsehoods. It’s enough for them to shade and slant the truth, and present it selectively. To some extent you can identify corrupting influences and then look for sources that are less affected by those influences, but eventually you can only vet the news by comparing it to the real world.
For a detailed explanation and analysis of how mass media is manipulating read Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
Sometimes when I need a break from work, I read newstories and yell at fascists in the comments. Occasionally, during their barrage of what-aboutisms, they will reference something I’m unfamiliar with.
The first thing I do is Google what they referenced. For any legislative action, you can read the bill or law. For anything that goes through the court, you can look up the docket. Read what the charges are and the evidence brought forward. Raw data is the most trustworthy, but it can be hard to understand. See what your favorite news source has to say about it, and then see what FOX says. Compare and contrast. What is each side saying, what is each side NOT saying? Just as Trump does no wrong on FOX, there may be some shady things going on that your team isn’t talking about.
The first thing I do is Google what they referenced. For any legislative action, you can read the bill or law. For anything that goes through the court, you can look up the docket. Read what the charges are and the evidence brought forward. Raw data is the most trustworthy, but it can be hard to understand.
I tried this with my father. He’d spout off some fox news garbage, I’d do all this research and send him an email explaining everything with the sources linked, and he would just reply with another fox news article… :(
I had someone at work with similar issues (nothing political, just incorrect facts confidently stated).
I pointed out that each time this happens my trust in what they say is eroded: “if you were wrong about that then why should I believe you about this”It only worked for a bit & then I had to revert to “yeah, whatever bro”
Yeah.
If everything they say is proven wrong they’ll respond with “I don’t care”.
First, I pay attention to if an article references an original source. If not, see if they’re the only one reporting the events in question.
I also tend to look at community reactions a lot, see what other random people have to say. That’s a horrible way to verify truth, but on the other end, it’s the effect of the actions or events that will really matter.
And, yeah, I doubt Fox “News” has referenced an original source in decades, so I’m very skeptical of anything they report. And if they’re the only ones talking about something, I generally assume it’s completely false.
Chinese friend of mine who started talking about how smart Trump
I hope you didn’t talked to my mother, thay sure does sound like her 💀
To be honest, this is no easy feat. Even my mother who has been in the US for over a decade and have somewhat of a fluency in English (good enough to get naturalized as a Citizen) still watched WeChat and consumes propaganda. I can’t do a thing about it except remind her about how white people don’t see her as part of the country and supporting Democrats is better because it lowers the risk of deportations so she’s kinda not as indoctrinated as everyone else, but still she often parrot those anti-Democrat rhetorics like “NYC Dems lets in iLLeGaL iMmiGranTs and crime rates rising” and blame them for “taking away benefits”.
How old are they? Of they are like 40 or older, I won’t even bother, they are a lost cause. For those younger people, just encourge them to read more from various souces, instead of trusting one. Don’t go “FOX News Bad”, that probably wouldn’t work unless you are really closely related and they at least somewhat trusts you (like blood relationship), if you are like a classmate or coworker, that will not work, just that they should read everything, and tell them to be skeptical.
The most important thing is: ABSOLUTELY NEVER CONFLATE “CCP” with “China”.
If you say “China Bad” they automatically assume you are being racist. Make sure to say its the Communist Party of China.
Edit: typos
Edit 2: P.S. I’m Chinese American for context, I’ve grown up mostly in the US, with only like the first decade of my life in mainland China, the rest is in the US (I don’t have much memores of China)
My older brother went to the equivalent of “middle school” in China, and he eventually came to be against CCP, after being going to public school in the US, but he’s more like the KMT nationalist type, still somewhat attached to China (culturally), but just anti-CCP.
The news is a propaganda machine designed to output a dual-pronged attack ironically outlined by your post. For skeptics like yourself the constant stream of misinfo will have you fact checking senseless data that you instinctively know to be true or false based on observation, wasting your time. however when presented in the news or by aquaintences It challenges you to correct them, this is a job for a team of the same magnitude as the news stations themselves.
For the indoctrinated Its just a constant echochamber of new info that helps fortify new or previously fabricated info, and gives them talking points to repeat to anyone even minorly skeptical of the regime.
Your experience with your friend IS part of the manipulation. the only way out is to attempt to focus on what is local to you and within your control (dont ignore the macro issues obviously just try not to focus on them). Getting involved with local politics, speak with real people and rather than attacking their facts. Attack their logic, similarly to how you are trying to get your friend understand her bias and where that stems from.
being a victim of propaganda, being religeous, being part of a subculture, having unresloved trauma, having children, never being properly taught logic or Epistemology (edit:this word is so important cant believe i forgot it.), all of these and more contribute to bias.
To answer your question, there are organizations that do fact checking but im also skeptical of those because who watches the watchers? How do they afford to exist? Do the fact checkers have bias themselves? Its a never ending cycle of bullshit.
No doom and gloom though (they want you to feel defeated) because there is still tons to appreciate, so many people are waking up. Lots of individuals attacking “the system” from every possible angle all across the world. All it takes is some mildly uncomfortable conversations with the people you care about, and patience, LOTS of patience.
Think hard:
it was her first exposure to the non-CCP-controlled stuff
How would you know that?
Can you really know that?
How and where have you first met this person?
what can I do step-by-step to verify the news
One neccessary precondition is: You need to love critical thinking.
My questions above were meant as an example for that. You don’t need to answer them. But if you felt uncomfortable when you read them, then think about your own critical thinking.
My recommendation is: talk to your friend about critical thinking.
How would you know that?
She admitted that herself that she doesn’t trust non-Chinese media a year ago. Also, it’s pretty clear given how clueless she was about that there’s not a single “Western propaganda” yet even within the same country the media outlets don’t have one single propaganda message. I told her about that and she was genuinely surprised to hear that, for instance, the western media are split on the Israel issue and there’s not a single fixed propaganda message. Or that not all the media support Trump and some are anti-Trump while others are pro-Trump. She thought all the western media are always supportive towards the currently ruling “western” leaders
Can you really know that?
Yes
How and where have you first met this person?
During a trip abroad. It was her first time abroad
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One general rule is to get as much information as possible from true experts - people who work on the specific subject that they are discussing, at least in broad fields of knowledge (e.g. history, biology, computers, law). Don’t rely on a single person or team of people to be your one-stop-shop for information. As much as possible, the experts should be independent of each other. While a historian and a biologist may both work at universities, and you may learn about both of them from a reporter, they likely do not have daily contact with each other and likely have not ever met… but stay aware of ‘where they are coming from’. When an interesting topic is raised, be willing to track down the original source and learn more directly from them.
Get information from sources that treat you seriously. For instance both NPR and the Economist both focus on in-depth reporting about a wide variety of topics. In contrast, TV news tends to be full of fluff. Ignore fluff peddlers. Ignore those who talk in circles about today’s minor scandal or “breaking story”, and instead focus on those who give you information that will still be useful a year from now.
Before you can check facts, you need to know what are reliable sources. This is a long term process. If I need to go to one place, Wikipedia is a good starting point to get ‘all sides’ of a topic (usually), with links to primary sources.
A long term strategy is to build general background knowledge rather than relying on case-by-case fact checking. Especially science and history. If you have that knowledge, a lot of the spin becomes immediately obvious, and you quickly identify who is worth listening to (of course, you need to first find reliable sources for history and science, and not get caught in partisan echo chambers. Just don’t turn to politicians and TV pundits for your history lessons).
I like academics because they mainly communicate with other experts and know they can’t get away with BS, while TV hosts and politicians mainly communicate with people who are easy to fool.
One general rule is to get as much information as possible from true experts
Trusting “experts” isn’t exactly always a great idea, especially with the context of OP’s friend in which the CCP being able to censor any dissenting opinions, so you’re just reenforcing their adversion of skepticism.
It’s ironic how the US’s downfall is because the people are so overly skeptical of government, they end up inventing crazy conspiracy theories, meanwhile in mainland China, they are not being skeptical of the central government enough. There is has to be a resonable level of skepticism somewhere.
The quickest and easiest version I have for fact checking is to check the source of the story, usually that’s in article. Check the ownership of the company, who owns it and what’s their agenda, that usually leads to who is their audience, who are they writing for and why. Is it to sell ads or actually pass on info. Also, if some thing is too goo to be true, it usually is but do the fact checking to confirm.
I am afraid Fox doesn’t provide with the sources
Similar to what another person referenced, the journalists I follow almost always cite their sources. The news they deliver is often just referencing legislation or other documents and summarizing it, combined with some opinion. For me this type of news is just a Tl;Dr of stuff that’s complex or long to read, and because they’re citing what they’re saying (and often showing it in full somwhere on the screen or blog), I trust that they’re not taking it out of context.
For studies or reports on studies, I like to look at who is funding the study.
For other news, I will often trust when a reporter is or has been onsite. Eg. A protest or something in a city and they have actual footage of themselves there. Of course, that’ll all come with a bias, but I am willing to accept that risk.
For bias checks, I often will ask myself questions: why did they word it a certain way? What point of view is missing here? Who is gaining from this?
When a reporter or news group shows me time and again that they can be trusted, then I will more easily trust them.
I also always check new sources on mediabiasfactcheck.com as they have full analyses to figure out if a source is left/right leaning and how factually they have reported historically.
1 dimentional left-right spectrum itself is biased.
I mean, Xinhua would be considered “left” and RT news would be considered “right” but they would both blame “the west” for russia’s invasion of Ukraine, so this creates a false sense of nonpartisanship.
If you don’t have independent confirmation for the specific event, you could do a simple application of Bayes’ theorem.
If (say) FOX is reporting something and you’re not sure how much credence to give it, ask yourself:A. How often does this sort of thing happen in general? (Check historical sources.)
B. How often does FOX claim this type of thing happens? (Check Google trends.)
C. How likely is FOX to report this if it actually happens? (If it fits their narrative, probably close to 1.)
Then you can estimate the likelihood of the report being true as AC/B.