Peter Kropotkin comes to mind, my favourite quote of his (from the Conquest of Bread) is: “the available food ought to be shared by all without exception… ‘But provisions will run short in a month!’ our critics at once exclaim. ‘So much the better,’ say we. It will prove that for the first time on record the people have had enough to eat.”
If this happened in America, cops would be called and they would walk in and shoot everyone
and then the grocery store closes and everyone loses their jobs and the neighborhood doesn’t have a grocery store to go to anymore.
*cries in San Francisco*
Nowadays you just pop chat GPT and hand it the mike and ask it to say out loud that everything is free, anyone would just believe it, because why not, “it’s AI”, it’s got to be true…
You can skip on the revolutionary speeches, but personally I’d love to hear what a chat bot has to say about revolution
Walmart used to have phones in every dept that could access the PA. So much trolling happened.
That’s an interesting historical fact of increasing relevance. Here’s a topical quote that pares nicely with it:
Ask for work. If they don’t give you work, ask for bread. If they do not give you work or bread, then take bread. ― Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays
Anybody have a source for this? I don’t doubt it happened, but I’m struggling to find more information.
Yeah, used to be a thing. Source: I am Italian and everyone knows 🙂
Edit: ok here a source but in Italian (Wikipedia)
Nice. Should continue to be a thing.
If that happened anywhere in the United States, 1000 police officers were surrounded the place and just opened fire
Almost as if that’s why it’s so much harder to see actions like this that everyone is constantly bitching about not seeing
I don’t know… I think the bigger problem is considering it bitching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
Italy had a strong leftist movement. But it also had some other shit.
If you care more seriously, you’d take over the farms and distribute it. Taking over grocery stores without the greater infrastructure is just causing food shortages when the distribution points can’t function, and the producers don’t have funding
I get what you’re saying but tactically this makes no sense. A farm is only useful over the long term, which would require you to defend it from police and potentially military forces. Groceries can be distributed from stores fairly quickly, so you could give them away quickly if the state forces are slow.
Groceries can be distributed from stores fairly quickly
Once. Then the store shuts down and nobody can get groceries.
Seriously asking, did that actually happen in Milan?
Not sure. I know I read about a lot of the places that were subject to looting during the BLM protests closed down. I don’t have good info as to what happened with them long term though.
If your goal is exclusively to lootz grocery stores are easier and a better target
Oh yeah, they tried this in China in the 50s. It went great.
It would be stupid and terrible either way, but that was a government takeover.
but that was a government takeover.
How else do you imagine a large-scale infrastructure takeover would happen? an angry mob?
Did you read the post?
It was something they could do a few times. It makes a nice story, but doesn’t mean there was any significant change.
The post is not a description of large-scale infrastructure takeover. That was literally the point of this comment thread.
Not a great long term strategy though if you want grocery stores to stay in business.
I don’t want grocery chains to stay in business. I want them to go bankrupt and make way for locally owned grocers.
How do you know that the “supermarkets” referenced in OP were not locally owned? This is 1973 in Italy, we’re not talking about Wal-Mart.
What exactly would prevent these nutjobs from doing the same thing to locally owned stores? Do you think they were being particularly selective in their grandstanding tactics?
That’s the thing. Right now, I believe we are talking about Walmart.
It was in milan though, so it definitely could have been large chains
That’s an awful lot of assumptions from someone who clearly hasn’t read anything about the events…
Edit: and because I got curious, here’s some reading on the topic. I’ve not found much on the internet about it, but I found this: https://libcom.org/article/take-over-city-community-struggle-italy-lotta-continua
You’re right, the person I responded to did make a lot of assumptions.
You think you’re cute or clever, rest assured you’re the only one that does.
I don’t think the point of this comic is to judge the past. I think it’s to plan for the future. I want to go proletariat shopping at Walmart.
I would grab so many PS5’s with which to feed my hungry children
It’s too early in the morning for this “no apostrophe” shit…
Took me far too long wondering who the hell thought supermarkets existed in 73 AD.
This reminds me of that old psychology experiment with children and marshmallows.
Yes, just grab what you want right now, surely that is the best way to do things. Good job demonstrating moral superiority over those selfish bourgeoisie.
That experiment is actually a pretty good microcosm of how psychology has come up short in handling the mental trauma associated with poverty.
Something they didn’t really consider with those kids was the possibility of a child to just not trust the researcher, which is also a valid concern for people in poverty. Sometimes you just aren’t given the shit you were promised in life so it makes sense to take the immediate option. Sometimes you live in a system that is designed to keep you poor because your impoverishment is beneficial to the economic model as a whole
Honestly, my first thought with almost any study on stuff like this is, “did you control for economic status?”
It’s always the same shit: people who play golf live longer? Yeah, if they can afford to play an expensive game that takes a half a day to complete, they probably have more money and free time and less physical strain or emotional stress than the wage-slaves sorting boxes and hoping to be asked to work overtime so they can buy their kids braces.
That’s no longer considered good science, just fyi
A replication attempt with a sample from a more diverse population, over 10 times larger than the original study, showed only half the effect of the original study. The replication suggested that economic background, rather than willpower, explained the other half.[6][7]The predictive power of the marshmallow test was challenged in a 2020 study.[8][9]Work done in 2018 and 2024 found that the Marshmallow Test “does not reliably predict adult functioning”.[10]
It is actually. The rich fucks were only able to produce the food on the back of exploited workers. It’s not stealing, it’s getting what is rightfully ours.
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