I don’t understand how this is a controversial opinion, but maybe parents should actually parent their children instead of expecting the Internet or the government to decide what their kids should see for them? Maybe talk to your kid about safe and ethical sex, the dangers of porn addiction, and not to take anything away from pornographic content instead? Maybe we shouldn’t be giving children smartphones and tablets with unfettered internet access in the first place instead of spending time with them? Wild concepts I know.
because these laws aren’t about protecting children they’re about elimination of access to things the government doesn’t like… like queer spaces
This, right here. It’s like Nixon’s “war on drugs” that went on, and on, and on… The goal was not drugs, per-se, but to use drugs as a pretense to police people of color.
Drugs still won.
And people of color lost.
As is american tradition.
Thanks, drugs!
And giving them sweeping ability to track everybody via their identity papers, to see what websites and services they’re using, what all their online identities are, etc.
They claim the info isn’t being saved or passed on to the government to form a big surveillance database to one day use against people - sure, it’s legal to, say, be gay or a socialist or of a particular religion today, but societies and regimes change, and the info they collect on you today may become ammunition against you in 10, 20, 40 years time.
But I don’t for a moment believe their obvious lies.
This is nothing but authoritarian police state monitoring and control. It’s extremely obvious. Yet, who are we to vote for in the next election? Not Labour, thanks to this (and a few other big reasons perhaps), not the Tories because, well, you’ve seen what they’re like.
It’s not impossible for a third party to be elected of course, not as impossible as places like the USA that have a very worryingly solidified two party system, it’s just very unlikely.
Knowing the British people and their seeming apathy and poor judgement at scale these days I wouldn’t be surprised if they elect the racist bigots at Reform - who ironically would be even more authoritarian and evil than what we have now.
As usual, there’s no hope for the future and no possibility of good outcomes.
Humanity is doomed to repeat it’s failures for all of history again and again, and we’re just along for the miserable ride.
The general apathy and disdain for noncomformity (the hatred protestors get is absurd) really does let their government stomp all over them. IIRC BBC goes out of their way to not cover protests in their own back yard, or anything that may be critical of the crown
Not the government per se, but the powerful lobby groups that want a new world order. Usually linked to religion. Looking at you, Collective Shout.
Don’t give your children unrestricted acces to a smartphone until they’ve proven they can use it wisely. No smartphone before age twelve. Limited use until age 15. And ffs. Ban smartphones at school.
Teach your kids about the internet. It’s part of sexual education.
And don’t leave it up to private companies to identify me and collect sensitive data on me. Fuck that. If you really want age verification. Deliver the framework.
completely agree, if kids want a phone at school they can get a dumbphone
I’ve been saying this a couple places recently, but why not pass legislation requiring every site to provide a content rating. Then parents can choose if they want to restrict content by ratings or not. Yeah, you could have malicious actors, but it makes it easier and simpler for everyone to work than having ID laws.
But that would actually solve the problem and not enable massive government overreach. We can’t have that.
I imagine it would work about as well as YouTube Kids would.
Which is to say not at all
My 5 year old son does have access to an android tablet, but i restrict, selectively, what he can do on it and time limit his usage so it locks down after a few hours. I curate his youtube and frequently spend time watching kids content to decide if i want him watching it. If its good and educational i will share it to his kids youtube account. He cant browse the web, he cant buy things on the play stores. He has to get me to approve any app install and i will always install first and play to ensure it safe.
Its hard work, but its worth it to protect him online. And this has lead to it just being another one of his toys, it doesnt absorb his whole existence. He can take it or leave it. Which i am chuffed about.
When he is older and i can help him understand for himself how to be safe, i will help him however i can. Rather than restric, i will help him understand what the internet is, the good the bad and the ugly.
Good to hear a parent parenting ⭐
I wonder how you’ll deal with a 16yo things get tricky with hormones, sex and rebellion.
I expect i will crumple at that point. But i hope i set him up with the tools he needs to navigate that part of life. And hopefully he feels close enough with me to come to me for help.
That requires effort, which most parents are unwilling to do, and newspapers will still want it banned and governments would still want to ban it so they can ban other things too.
This is a conservative idea if conservatives weren’t evil lmao. And I agree
So of all the fucking things to restrict, why this? Facebook is a hundred times more dangerous than any porn. Ban that shit instead.
Because it’s something where the current government can claim they’re “doing something” or “addressing a real problem” but it also doesn’t threaten the rich and powerful.
Going after Facebook would threaten the rich and powerful, for who it is an important tool for manipulating people, who think they can use it to mold culture to what they want it to be my breaking the minds of children.
The current UK government is desperate to say to the public that they’re governing and fixing problems, but they also really don’t want to piss off the rich and powerful.
because Facebook is an abstract danger, porn is (relatively) well defined
Part of me wants every website to do this. The UK just gets blocked from majority of the internet then people in the UK can get angry and rebel.
The great firewall of starmer
Damn, U.K. is really getting destabilized fast. Law changes, immigration, censoring and now monitoring? Is this what happens when you leave EU and “lose” in the modern war?
That’s what everyone should be doing.
Have to agree with you. If every site just blocked the country with a stupid law like this, then the regular (regarded) folk that are gonna send over their ID the first chance they get will maybe log off their wank station and idk join the cause.
Saying that, at least ppl will be forced to use a vpn instead of sending their id through the internet if they dont comply and just block.
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hand wringing over objectionable video games is why queer artists are now having their platforms removed. if you dont want to see certain kinds of fictional porn, then either avoid the website it is hosted on, or make an account and edit your blacklist. also, if youre worried about your children having access to gay yiff, then restrict their access
I sort of don’t understand why these places which are hosted somewhere else would even bother?
They would still have to comply with the laws of the places the site can operate in, regardless of its physical server location.
Or what?
I feel like if most websites chose not to comply, there’s fuck all the government could do tbh. What are they gonna do? Fine big tech with a slap on the wrist again? Try to shut down every indie hentai site hosted in the Congo or something? Please… it’s all absurd.
They would start up their own Great FireWall of [Blank]
Or have your site taken down by your own country because of its international obligations. You still have to abide by your own country’s interpretation (and political alignment to) of foreign laws.
I doubt that the USA would recognise and take down websites for not following Ofcoms requirements. And Ofcom would 100% be too cowardly to even threaten that. They’d just geoblock.
Perhaps? But you can get extradited from the US to the UK, and there’s all sorts of dumb agreements for international evidence and standing precedent. I don’t expect the current administration to forge new ground here, but navigating the waters of international law is byzantine at the best of times.
I really, really doubt that a website owner based in USA would be extradited to the UK for not complying with UK local law with how they run their website. That’s absurd.
Maybe if they were a UK citizen living in the US, but if it was a US citizen, not a chance.
Civil action. The case may be resolved in your favor, since it will be done in your country’s court, but you’d still have to deal with court fees.
The website would be blocked at the ISP level, I’m not sure what the UK government can do beyond that.
If I had the money for lawyers, I would definitely add an “I confirm I am not in UK” button to access to sites to “help people mistakenly identified as being in the UK due to e.g. a VPN or a proxy”.
Oh no, what ever will I, resident of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, do.
Boots up Tor.
this will work until every country does this.
Trying to get every country to do something is like trying to herd cats.
basically every country that ‘“matters”’ implements some form of the DMCA
An copyright law is pretty similar in every country, or at least has a version of it. Japan’s copyright law is so strict you can’t even mention brands in media and has no version of fair use. It’s why in Anime, when illuding to trademarks, it’ll be something like “Sany” or “Destiny”. This however, does not mean that I, in Scotland, am forbidden from making a video where I mention the words “Sony”, “Disney”, “Greggs”, and “Tesco”. Every country has different copyright laws and on the internet they seem to take a middle ground.
Porn on the other hand is very different with very different laws and very different ideas. For example, Porn is illegal in South Korea. No “JAV” where genitals are blocked out, porn is straight up a crime. Where I live however, it is legal, albeit on the internet you have to go through an adult verification thing, which is easily bypassed. Each country does not have a universal standard law on pornography or what counts as such. There’s proposed laws in the US for example which could see the mention of queer people as counting as “pornography”. Not the depiction, just something like “Leonardo Da Vinci was gay”. That’s why people in the UK are worried because the law doesn’t just cover pornography and covers “sensitive content”, which, you know, could be defined at some point to include anything.
idk why you responded to my comment with all that. Your first paragraph is, “yes, I agree, and here’s another law that’s also very similar in many countries”; which, ok, sure. But your second paragraph is completely unrelated to what I said.
The UK is destroying privacy of chaps! The people who want to watch porn, without being tracked! And now they have to fall under the VPN!
fuck the UK
The Net is dead. Where’s our R.A.B.I.D.S. when we need them?
What’s Rule34?
My sweet, sweet summer child.
Rule #34: There is porn of it. No exceptions.
See also:
Rule #35: If there is no porn of it, it will be made.
Right, how does this image relate to that?
A bit like DeviantArt but specifically for porn
Ah Lemmy, downvoting an honest question. Never change.
rule34.xxx is a website where users can post naughty drawings, renders, etc. of mostly anime or computer game characters. Think of your favourite character of your favourite anime, game, comic, etc. Chances are there’ll be images of them on there.
If it exists, there is porn of it.
I know what rule 34 is, I’m asking where this image came from
w uk goverment
I agree with the message but making the argument that it’s safe for kids to watch because it’s cartoons is wrong. Kids can be fucked up by 2D furry porn, I’ve seen it happen. Still agree that age verification is a security nightmare, just think it’s a weird argument.
I don’t think it says anywhere that it’s safe for kids to watch.
Thhink they are referring to it saying “requiring age verification for fictional cartoon content is an overreach that fails to recognize the distinction between real world and adult material”
Paragraph 3 “Requiring age verification for fictional cartoon content is an overreach thay fails to recognize the distinction between real-world adult material and artistic, animated works.” etc
When is DeviantArt going to demand my ID, I wonder, it is chock full of all manner of fetish material.
Age verification is a security nightmare, you shouldn’t support it. Unlike you, I hope Deviantart never asks for users’ IDs.
Did this sound like support…?
They’re only thinking of the eventual harm done to actors, or, victims, in the case of child porn.
I’m on the fence, because do kids need to be seeing glimmer choke down on a futa She-Ra? No. But does the UK Guv need to de-anonymize the internet to stop it? Fuck. No.
There’s a third option: taking responsibility as a community to educate kids on the harmful effects of being exposed to sexual content at a young age, and then letting them make that mistake if they really really want to. Put up a warning about how porn can damage the mind. And then give them the same freedoms as adults (when it comes to passive consumption), because restricting their freedoms would restrict everyone’s.
That’s not a third option, that’s the option I outlined in my comment directly above yours. You miss when you clicked a reply button, or something?
Nah I don’t see it.
Must be an ironic nickname.
youve seen it happen, sure
It’s yet another step in seeing the Internet becoming owned by big corporations. Only big corporations can implement these things.
Art, creativity, people doing internet things as a hobby, that is dying more and more everyday.
I miss the 90s internet :(
There was a site I found in highschool around 1998 - the paradigm of pessimism.
Full of dark humor and anti-jokes, in glorious web 1.0 - that site had a huge impact on my humor. I’ve never been able to find it again. Just a random site someone hosted somewhere on the Internet - no scams, no paywalls, just a bunch of weird humor.
Nowadays, if there’s something you like online, remember to plug it into archive.org so it gets added to the wayback machine. You’ll still need to remember the URL to access it, but at least it will be archived somewhere
We also desperately need a non-US archive.
Me too, so much!
A big reason why I’ve come to like Lemmy communities so much is really because they give me some old internet feeling. It’s not super crowded, it’s an app that isn’t design for brain rot, it allows interesting online discussion etc.
I think projects like this can continue to exist, even in a bleak corporate owned internet.
I tried gemini protocol for a bit to see if it did a decent job addressing this, but it doesn’t. We do legit need a ‘smallweb’ non-commercial sort of thing, but I suspect retreating to a BBS model is probably what is required.
I2p and the return of webrings. Done.
Webrings were one of the best ways to spend an evening. I loved getting lost in the Tolkien and Gardening ones.
It took like 2 minutes to download a single photo though.
I’d take that over the bullshit attacks the internet of today is attracting.
