Elon Musk, Elon Musk, dismantling the State;
Elon Musk, Elon Musk, thinks he’s really great;
Takes from the poor,
Gives to the rich;
Stupid bitch,

Stupid bitch,

Stupid bitch,.

Top notch banter.

Wow, you’re so edgey.

I worry that your point is even worse than I thought.

You and I completely and utterly disagree.

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I think you’re quite a few decades out of date with that opinion. The Chinese government is very worried about population decline now.

The nasty bit was telling a mother she has to have an abortion against her will.

China now has the opposite problem of a declining population, which causes problems because of the working age population is small compared to the older population, you end up running out of money so you either have to tax more heavily or abandon older folks to their fate without helping them.

The declining population problem is very common in wealthier countries.

And lower population means fewer jobs. The number of jobs that need doing in a country doesn’t depend on the area of the land, it depends on the population size. The problems come when governments don’t build infrastructure. If you don’t build schools and hospitals and suchlike, three are fewer jobs in construction and less money going into the local economy, and schools and hospitals get crowded and do a worse job.

Fast charging is a double-edged sword.

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Every wankpanzer ever? I had to check it wasn’t the onion. It’s not the onion.

Where does the Dizzy Devil Ducky bit come from?

No, the generation that killed Nazis is the silent generation. Boomers are their children.

You have so much contempt for people who wanted to not have trump and would rather have the Democrats that you can’t find an ounce of compassion in your heart for the people who about to lose their social security, the women who have already lost their bodily autonomy, the trans folks who are losing their legal existence, the Gazans who are going to have their country replaced by a theme park, the Ukrainians who are being abandoned by America, the people affected badly by the acceleration of inflationary policies, etc, etc, etc.

Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you

“…herd mentality…” “…just reinforce my decisions…” “…throw shit at the wall…” “…people like you…”

That’s a no, then. You’re absolutely not going to do any reflection. Everyone else is wrong except you. Got it.

“why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.”

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Learn to think. All up and down this thread you’re coming out with the same illogical arguments that defy reality and contradict yourself. Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you and why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.

End first past the post elections.

Well, Trump intends to end elections period, so in that sense it’s a win! /s

Uh, the politics was an example of similar debating techniques, I made no assertion about your political viewpoint at all, that’s entirely opaque to me.

I also made no assertion about your personality, just that your viewpoint is atheist, and I made no ad hominem about you unless you have contempt for atheists and you consider that me asserting that you believe in atheism is offensive.

I did assert that calling people “illogical”, “irrational” and “unintelligent” is condescending and dismissive and that if you don’t believe that, you need to improve your social awareness, and I absolutely stand by that.

The words logical, irrational, and unintelligent are used because that is literally the topic of the post.

You say that as if it’s an external environment that didn’t come from your own beliefs about religion. You’re the OP! You set the topic yourself! You yourself framed it this way! The self dissociation and lack of awareness of your own beliefs is even more striking than normal here.

I don’t believe that you’re wrong about lack of scientific evidence on the issue of theism vs atheism at all. I do think you’re wrong about whether you’re at all neutral on the subject.

Would it help you if we called it anti-theistic rather than atheistic? Regarding your overwhelmingly anti-theistic perspective, there’s a difference between belief and proof that you’re ignoring - you can’t prove your atheism and you disrespect people who believe things without proof, so you deny your atheism.

But you believe lots of things without proof. It’s how we go about our daily lives. It’s normal. You don’t get your spectrometer out so that you don’t inadvertently believe without proof that the skirt is blue despite knowing full well that you are vulnerable to optical illusions, and you don’t have to have proof that the creepy guy is a creep to avoid him. This is normal. This is how we evolved to learn about the world.

I think the reason that I’ve upset you is that I’ve caused you cognitive dissonance, because I assert that you believe atheism without proof and it seriously challenges your self image because the one argument you used against religion all the time was that believing things without proof is illogical, irrational and unintelligent, and whilst you’re happy to claim that you mean that in the nicest, most neutral, inoffensive and non-insulting way, you don’t half react badly when I put you at the receiving end of your own criticism.

If you really in your heart truly believed that atheism and religious belief both have equal merit and there’s no rational way to decide between them, you wouldn’t spend the whole day inviting religious folk to explain to you why they’re so irrational, illogical and unintelligent when it comes to religion. You have an opinion, and it’s very strongly held, but you never admit it, because it’s not as logical as claiming there’s no answer and you so very strongly want to believe that you’re logical and rational. But I want you to accept yourself as you really are, a bunch of flesh and blood, leaping to conclusions every day on everything based on flimsy evidence and little logical deduction, controlled by emotions and flooded with hormones all day long. We all are. It’s ok. We evolved to have gut feelings for our own protection. You believe atheism but you assert agnostism intellectually. You dismiss the evidence of your own behaviour and attitudes to keep up the self pretence that you drew beliefs are exclusively deduced logically from cast iron evidence, but that’s just not how humans decide things that they care about at all. It’s how they solve maths problems, not how they decide how to treat each other on social media.

I think you really need to come to terms with the fact that you’re fundamentally human and accept that you have some beliefs you can’t prove, like everyone does.

Remember that you believe in the supremacy of science because your parents and teachers taught you to and told you stories of the empirical method’s victory over philosophy for making accurate predictions, not because you preformed some grand comparative experimental study of different philosophies yourself. We believe what we believe because it seems right to us, and we so very very very rarely get out the tape measure and national statistics when we think someone is unusually tall. It’s ok to have things you believe that you didn’t prove, it’s not ok to believe that you prove everything that you think is true; you wouldn’t even be able to have breakfast before it was too late if you did.