In shorttime growth in a billion company…this is poisioness for tesla…elon all te blame…reminder of history is bad this company must be wiped out
Gone from the coolest car to the most embarrassing, and these people are supposed to be smart.
As a publicly traded US company, can’t the board of directors vote Elon out because of tanking sales? Seems like that’s the only way for the company to survive at this point.
In a normal company they could, but the board are all loyal to him, not the company. Recently they insisted in giving him a 50 BILLION bonus, yes, with B. No chance they will intervene. And putting a puppet CEO like at Twitter won’t have a strong effect either.
Dont know is a normal company…normal company growth big in generations like toyota honda volkwagen bmw…one life time there is a big bubble…also want to act like apple…propiatary stuf… I dont mind tesla for demise
Cause everyone at Tesla is a spineless grifter too.
The only creatures that should buy a Tesla are from the fucking AfD.
I live in one of the Eastern countries and surprisingly most tesla owners I see on the street are from Ukraine. We don’t even have developed infrastructure to use that car.
And those from the fucking UK apparently.
Very similar though - just waiting for them to elect farage to gut UK public services.
Lol definitely won’t, they’re super anti-EV after all. I mean, they even want to get rid of all wind power plants. xD
This is what makes Musk’s B-line towards Nazi stardom so strange to me. Like, did he think Nazis were suddenly going to start buying electric cars? They literally put nuts on their trucks right next to their bumper stickers using homosexual slurs to describe electric vehicles, all while “rolling coal” in front of every Tesla they see on the road.
These are the people you want to market to?
And at the expense of your existing market?He’s a fraud that knows his time is up and the only way out is through manipulating politics. That’s basically the playbook of every grifter these days.
Musk isn’t doing all of this to sell more Teslas
I keep wondering how much of his behaviour has to do with his estranged kids telling him he’s a dick as well as his Ketamine abuse.
This is why I wouldn’t put it past them to try to hide the real sales numbers. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re down 90+ percent and the company is effectively dead already. The board of directors are Elon’s creatures and their personal wealth will depend on keeping the facade (and stock price) up so they aren’t about to cry foul.
They are on track to be worth less than BYD, the two will likely cross over quite soon.
My heart pumps purple piss for fElon.
And the US tax payer is going to have to foot the bill on it…Elon sucks goldfish dick
I don’t think Elon gives a fuck. He’s tricked everyone he needs to into giving him billions of dollars. He isn’t going to give any of it back. He’s laughed all the way to the bank.
he doesn’t, the american people getting ass fucked in broad daylight
What’s worse is that they seem to be liking it. Their entire country had collectively goatse’d themselves and exclaimed “INSERT COINS HERE”.
Feel the same way. He basically has the US Treasury now, and can do whatever he wants with his DOGE, I doubt he cares about Tesla.
I don’t think he has to care, but I think he might. SpaceX and Tesla are the only 2 brands he regularly promotes as he hopes people forget about all the other stolen, idiotic ideas that have failed.
He has mentioned many times in the past how “owning a Tesla is fiscally responsible”. Considering DOGE and falling Tesla sales… it’s only a matter of time until he sees if he can push Tesla as “The American Car” subsidised by tax payers and potentially cheaper then other brands (due to tariffs)… I don’t put it past him to try to take over all the transportation in the country. He’s stopped pretending he isn’t just a super villain a while ago, so going out of our way to ensure that the most “affordable” car is his and cripple the nation further by literally controlling the means of transportation.
So? You subsidised him since forever.
Not a peep when he demanded to keep his factories open in full Covid times or plenty more scummy things.
Only when he became a Trumper he was no longer great papa Elon for half of you.What makes you think I wasn’t verbally critical of him? I was telling ppl that were praising him that he seemed to virtue signal and seemed shady back in 2017. I was told I was looking too much into it. But in retrospect…
OK I was generalising.
Nothing in your comment says you aren’t be one of those who simply don’t like him NOW.
Statistically more chance of that since all I saw for years was cringe papa elon, big brain Tony Stark bootlicking while it was indeed clear for anyone to see what a douche he was (not visibly fascist tho).
But Americans love their oligarch heroes.
Most people still think Bill Gates is a great philanthropist, while he is also an awful person with a more acceptable personality and image.Tim Urban put his established “accessible intellectual blogger” credibility behind some truly convincing pro-Musk propaganda pieces on Wait But Why back in ~2015 or so, which at the time were inspiring and felt very believable for people searching for signs of an improving future. For me, Musk fell hard from that grace during the Thailand cave rescue when he attacked that British caver in the most absolutely childish way. I really resent that Urban hasn’t gone back to readdress those old blog posts, but maybe he’s just another paid shill.
Good.
Say what you will about faceless corps, but toyota won’t send some jackass out a the public face to do sieg hail, and be the gleeful butcher of government programs.
You have to be nestel levels of horrific before it breaks out of the corporate bubble.
I seriously question the mental stability of Tesla shareholders. Why on Earth does that man still have a job?
I’m not even talking about this recent stuff, I’m talking about all the things he’s been doing for the last few years. It would get any normal person fired.
He has family members and toadies on the board
If you buy a Tesla now, it says something about you as a person…
I bought a Tesla years ago before Elon completely removed the mask.
No way I’d buy one now, but I also don’t want to sell it early and lose a tonne of money.
The Tesla board should intervene and remove him, but they won’t because he’s stacked it with yes men like his brother.
In your defense, back then they were the only EV that wasn’t useless.
I have hated Tesla since day 1, but even still I had to admit that they had the only decent EV drivetrain.
If you have the money to buy a Tesla I don’t think you’re someone who cares what people think one way or the other. You don’t need to care about public opinion with that kind of income.
What? A Model 3 starts at 42k (without the tax credit) or 299/mo for a lease. That’s below average for new cars in America, or significantly below average if you qualify for the tax credit. KBB says the average for a new car in December 2024 was nearly 50k.
And sure, not everyone can afford a new car, but very few Tesla buyers are “that kind of income” wealthy.
Even the most expensive Tesla is like the entry price for real sportscars. That dude is high
Dude’s living in Model S days
Well I don’t want to celebrate in advance, Model Y facelift just released, let’s hope this trend continues and doesn’t show a reversal.
Lemmy, this is the 7th day in a row you’ve shown “Tesla sales down in Europe” news in Top.
Feel free to post other good news. I’ll be happy to upvote.
You can filter it out if you want. Whenever I read it I get warm fuzzies. It helps me cope.
Doesn’t make my comment not true.
And I don’t filter or block anything or anyone. Rawdogging Lemmy, the way God intended.
So you just like to complain then?
Might be his only joy in life. Let him be, as long as he’s not too rude about it.
There’s no point in blocking everything. I’m interested in what’s happening with Trump and the US, with Tesla, the occasional Linux news, but when my feed is 90% “Why Linux is actually good”, “Musk/Trump bad”, “Tesla shares in EU down again” for the fifth time, it gets annoying. Blocking stuff is too crude a tool.
Let us enjoy our schadenfreude!!
My instance has the same attitude. But of course its easier when being small with hundreds of users rather than thousands.
We have this, crap copied from twitter or crap copied from reddit. Take your pick. :)
To be serious for a minute, I do wish there was more discussions and not just circle jerking. Its funny how everyone left the big platforms but still discusses the exact same things.
linux linux foss linux
Each time I see a new article about drop in sales, the percentage is higher. I love it.
I think it’s the first time in my life I routinely check in on the stock value of a company, and it’s pure Schadenfreude.
Trump media stock was fun to watch too up until he won. I mean it’s still going to crash and burn, but the election bought him some time.
I keep thinking it’s same article being reposted before noticing the drop is 10-15% greater than the last time I saw it. I hope he’s kicked from Europe entirely.
I wish people would also boycott Zuckerberg‘s products and Peter thiel‘s PayPal.
I actively boycott Zuckerberg’s offerings bar WhatsApp coz the bastard bought it out from under us. Fuck him, fuck Meta
Is there a Canadian version of paypal that works the same way? I was searching but couldn’t find one and ever since AI came around my business shrank to almost nothing. Also, other than having an old nearly defunct facebook account, what $ would I be unwittingly giving to Zuckerberg? Serious and naïve question.
Why old Facebook accounts still matter:
-Your past likes, groups, comments, and interactions are stored and can still be used for ad profiling or sold as part of larger datasets.
-If you once liked a brand or a political page, that interest could still be factored into long-term data models.
-If you have active friends, their interactions with your old profile (e.g. tagging you in old posts, mentioning you) can still keep your account relevant to Meta’s algorithms.
-Your friends may have synced their contacts with Facebook, meaning your email or phone number could still be in Meta’s database.
-If you’ve ever used “Log in with Facebook” for third-party apps, Meta can see when and where you log in.
-Even if you don’t actively sign in, Facebook cookies might still track you across other websites (depending on your browser settings).
-Advertisers may have access to archived data that gets combined with current trends.
-Your profile might be included in anonymized datasets used for AI training or market analysis.
That made me wonder, in regard to your question, how much meta really makes out of Facebook accounts like yours.
Out of curiosity I asked Mistral how much an inactive Facebook account might generate daily. It estimated $0.005 but noted it could be even lower. Let’s take a careful guess at $0.001.
Ridiculously low, irrelevant, right?
Well, there are 3 billion Facebook users. Let‘s assume Facebook earns $0.001 for each account, each day.
This would be 3 billion times $0.001 which equals $3,000,000. Daily!
Links:
-The Electronic Frontier Foundation’s analysis of Facebook’s tracking technologies
-Privacy International’s report on how Facebook tracks users across devices
-The Tracking Exposed project which documents Facebook’s data collection methods
-ProPublica’s series on Facebook’s data practices
-The Washington Post’s investigation into Facebook’s privacy controls
-Wired’s coverage of how Facebook continues tracking after account deactivation
Not quite but credit cards and Interac e-Transfer.
Aren’t there alternatives to Paypal, like Wise and Revolut?
In Europe, sepa transfers are free and instant transfers will be mandatory free from October.
To pay in e-commerce, revolut has unlimited one-use cards, no need for PayPal.
What’s a sepa transfer
Single Euro Payments Area it’s basically just your regular bank transfer in most of europe.
Ah, I should have read down further. I’ll look those up.
Do you need one?
I recently deleted my PayPal account and use a virtual credit card instead.
So far no issues with paying. In the rare case that credit card is not available you can always pay without account in PayPal via credit card.
Often enough the credit card payment still is done through PayPal, though
A virtual credit card? Is that something your bank offers, or how would one go about getting it?
The reason I originally got PayPal is because many sites don’t accept debet cards so I often had no way to pay at all.
It’s a credit or debit card where you can change the number at any time. Prevents shady online shops from loosing your credit card details. Revolut and N26 offer it for example.
Of course, the shop still has to accept credit/debit cards or you have to go though PayPal as guest.
I see, thanks!
Wat? I have one I’m the one that suggested it 💀
You went back to the banking industry and you report this event as a good thing?
You are telling me you are paying via PayPal without involving the banking industry?
I have the choice to either tell PayPal and my bank what I’m buying or just my bank. I chose the latter.
Google Pay. Wise and Revolut are money wallet + transfer tools.
Germany tries to make one every two years. The newest one is called Wero/kwitt
And wero from European paiement initiative that regroup all major french and german bank.
Far as I know it’s more of a send money from phone to phone thing for now. My bank supports it, but it’s only an option in the app which I don’t use.
It is especially sad since it was meant to replace giropay, which actually was more like Paypal than wero is.
Let’s hope it is just a matter of time.It will be open later to shop and eshop. Probably around 2026. I saw a élog post about their roadmap.
Except in Germany you can chose from like three whole banks that participate
No no way more
Agreed, though I don’t think Thiel is involved in Paypal anymore.
Yes, you are right, not anymore, I don’t trust it though as it was founded by not only Peter Thiel but also Elon Musk.
PayPal blocks accounts that are politically controversial, such as some alternative media outlets, cryptocurrency platforms, or activists. Also Whistleblower organizations like WikiLeaks have been blocked and their funds frozen.
For these reasons I find a boycott completely justified.
PayPal was not founded by Musk
Please have a look at the listed founders of PayPal: Paypal Wikipedia
Please actually read the article
The company was originally established by Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek in December 1998 as Fieldlink. Later it was renamed Confinity,[9] a company which developed security software for hand-held devices.[10] When it had no success with that business model, it switched its focus to a digital wallet.[11] The first version of the PayPal electronic payments system was launched in 1999.[12]
In March 2000, Confinity merged with X.com, an online financial services company founded in March 1999 by Elon Musk, Harris Fricker, Christopher Payne, and Ed Ho.
Musk founded a company that merged with the company that invented PayPal.
As Wikipedia lists him as a founder i think it’s ok for me to call him that as well. But of course, you can insist on the loooooong explanation that he founded a company that merged with another company and the merged one finally became Paypal.
Let’s get it to 90%. We can do it.
70% is just rookie numbers
go big or go home : 100%
You can go to 110% if you burn enough tesla’s
Elon truly is a genius businessman. Letting him run the government is clearly a great idea.
It’s been said more than once, that Musk isn’t an asset to a company but a liability. Tesla didn’t succeed because of Musk but despite him.
I mean he’s become a whole lot richer. Tesla is just a casualty. Why he hasn’t been ousted from the board or sued by investors, I don’t understand.
Deliver is not the same as sales. They are also launching a new model this summer so people could just be waiting. I know it’s a great news story, Europe bands together against Musk to show dissatisfaction with American politics, but it may not be true. If someone could find Tesla reports that delivers are far lower than expected I will change my mind.
I wanted to find their predictions for production in Q1 2025 to see if they planned for less deliveries before all this Musk hit the news cycle. The closest I got as 2024 Q2 production numbers. https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-vehicle-production-deliveries-and-date-financial-results-webcast-second-quarter-2024
I mean… why wouldn’t all that is happening not have a effect on sales? Musk is the face of Tesla and Musks image has totally gone downhill for lots of people. He’s gone from “techbro genius” to “fascist” in a few months (!) in the public image and there is really not reason to doubt, that this won’t have an effect on sales.
Yeah I’ll believe it when I see the trend last more than a month or 2
