The nazi tattoo is like my biggest red flag and I can’t tell if I’ve just because of B.J. Blazkowicz

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    After seeing the media blitz about the tattoo I decided to check out his website

    https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platform

    while my platform spans many issues, I view most of my job as a US Senator as to do two things: one, to ban billionaires buying elections; two, to dismantle the “billionaire economy”, in favor of an economy that works for the American worker, for small business, for the vast majority of Americans. I will be a Senator for all those who can’t buy Senators.

    Sounds like a legit progressive to me, anti-establishment and populist in the good way. I like his platform and I hope all of this attention does him more good than harm. Hard to be bothered by decades old tattoos when there are congresspeople with actual swastikas in their office.

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      the problem is no one can really know what his stance is because it’s not beneath a person to lie to gain power. seems too risky and an easy way to end up with another Sinema/Fetterman type that blocks votes while claiming to be a Democrat/Progressive. i don’t think now is the time to take chances and they need to find a better candidate to run while there still some time, because even if he’s telling the truth this will be a non-starter for many voters.

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        That’s a good point and a valid concern. I know I’ll be doing more research into him and seeing what he has to say. I’ll also look into his record of the work he’s done in his hometown, if he’s in local town government there will be public documents and meeting minutes that show how he handles governance.

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    Anyone willing to tell AIPAC to go fuck themselves is on my permanent good list. Even better if they can make a menu to use when we eat the rich.

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      the sentiment is good, but also i think most people with a nazi tattoo would be willing to tell AIPAC to go fuck themselves

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      Which people are still defending!

      Fuck it’s one of the emblems of the SS, 2nd to their lightning bolts, and people are excusing it even in this thread.

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            Not everyone walks around with an encyclopedia of knowledge on hate symbols. I didn’t learn about the totenkopf until this issue came up.

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                And yet, I’ve never noticed it. I thought it was only the bird symbol on the hat. I’ve never looked into their uniforms with any meaningful inspection. I had to google the hat because I doubted you were right, but you are. So I just learned something else.

                Like I implied earlier, people can exist for decades without knowing something. Just because it is common to you, doesn’t mean it is common to everyone.

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        so, excuses? “something that represented our jobs as machine gunners”

        yeah, fucking fascist. dude is making a mockery of his electorate.

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          Still waiting on the evidence of white nationalism and violent rhetoric in his platform. It’s clear the establishment is scared of him and is trying to use the common concerns of leftists to attack him, but it’s just kind of silly to call him a secret cryptofascist white supremacist when there are openly unapologetic ones already in government.

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            the evidence is tattooed right on his damn chest. and his proud work as a jackboot of fascism.

            cmon man are you guys really gonna be finessed by another nazi?

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              So he’s talked about gassing people in private chats? Has he said he loves Hitler?

              Is there evidence of him using race or ethnicity as a bogeyman “other” to persecute and exile people?

              Has he advocated for violence or extreme “solutions” to perceived problems in the country?

              Frankly, nothing on his platform comes close to what is already happening in plain sight. Platner has stated he’s anti-billionaire and that’s clear enough a reason why all of this muck is getting raked. If you’re going to do their work for them, I hope you’re at least getting paid for it.

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                so now we are lesser eviling the more charismatic nazis?

                you guys have your overton window way out there in the us. i keep wondering when democrats will notice what is happening here…

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                  Like I said before, symbols don’t make the Nazi. What makes someone a Nazi is their beliefs in authoritarianism, white supremacy, violence as a solution and the persecution of ethnic and LGBT minorities. Without any evidence of that, this is all hot air.

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    Between the tattoo and working for mercenaries, I think he is a non-starter.

    Edit: apparently there is a second tattoo

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    He was in Blackwater and is a Nazi. And he did not apologize for his war crimes.

    How the hell are people falling for this

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      So he’s talked about gassing people in private chats? Has he said he loves Hitler?

      Is there evidence of him using race or ethnicity as a bogeyman “other” to persecute and exile people?

      Has he advocated for violence or extreme “solutions” to perceived problems in the country?

      Frankly, nothing on his platform comes close to what is already happening in plain sight. Platner has stated he’s anti-billionaire and that’s clear enough a reason why all of this muck is getting raked. If you’re going to do their work for them, I hope you’re at least getting paid for it.

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        He was a concentration camp guard at Abu Graib, has a Nazi tattoo and is still advocating for the mass murder of brown people abroad so yes to probably all of the above.

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          …is still advocating for the mass murder of brown people abroad

          Source?

          Also, the military vets in my life are some of the most disillusioned people with the establishment, because they’ve seen the effects of imperialist bullshit up close.

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              proud to be a combat vet can easily just be marketing… imagine where you’d get in the US if you said you were ashamed of your military service… you’d get eviscerated

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                  do you think the US military needs all the funding it has?

                  if you think it could do with less, then perhaps you and he agree: that there could be some places to make the US military reduce waste for example

                  making it “run better” doesn’t necessarily mean expanding it and giving it more

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        If you have 2 nazi tattoos you are a nazi.

        You are here arguing in favor of supporting a nazi like it is a progressive thing to do.

        Snap out of it.

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            If someone got the nazi thunderbolt tattoo after ww2 that means they are a nazi

            If someone got a swastika tattoo after ww2 that means they are a nazi.

            Stop defending this shit you sound like a bot

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              Lol there are actual literal Nazis in power right now who aren’t using any tattoos or symbols to out themselves, just their actions and rhetoric. Until I see evidence of Nazi-ism in his policies, actions and platform then the blanket discounting of him sounds way more bottish and shillish to me.

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                Regular people don’t get tattoos dedicated to white supremacy.

                This is a sign to get rid of your SS tattoo as well.

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                  Feel so sorry for every actor who’s ever worn a Nazi uniform in a movie, guess they’re all Nazis now.

                  Again, waiting on the evidence of violent rhetoric, otherism, idolizing autocrats and authoritarianism in his platform and actions.

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          He doesn’t have two. Now he doesn’t even have one. The one he had, he covered up. The other was related to the establishment of a trail crew, not even remotely nazi, people just jumped on shit without any understanding or real evidence. And then parroted it without looking into it like you are doing here.

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            Lol love how you don’t need sources XD

            He doesn’t have two. Now he doesn’t even have one.

            This is actually delusional behavior. You can see the pictures of his tattoos. You can see the social media posts of his previous manager dropping him because of these controversies and the impact they said it would have on his campaign.

            You are deepthroating the propaganda

            You need to engage with observable reality. He has 2 tattoos intrinsically linked to white supremacist ideology.

            Get a grip

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              Where did I say I don’t need sources? I’ve been providing sources in several comments. Like this one showing his tattoos. The one he had covered up. And the other that some fuckwits have been going on about without confirming before they parroted a false talking point.

              So here’s some “observable reality” for you since you obviously couldn’t be fucked to look the current status of the tattoos up.

              https://x.com/MENewsPhotog/status/1981080937015267530

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                Cool, so why did he get 2 nazi tattoos to begin with? Two different white supremacist tattoos with different meanings that both support the same ideology.

                Give me an explanation that doesn’t require I pretend like I’m fucking stupid to have to beleive it.

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                  Tell me you didn’t even look at the link without telling me. You have made your mind up with whatever you’ve heard, and no context at all will matter, you just want an argument. glhf

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      This is deliberate disinformation, he worked for Constellis, which is not Blackwater, and for only 6 months. If a skull and cross bones makes a person a Nazi than you are a fool. Besides that, he covered it for all you purity testing bots.

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      The tattoo looks like a giant fuckin smudge it could look like damn near anything if you squint. I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Regardless of how he got it, the military let it pass at least twice and they are pretty firm about extremist tattoos from my understanding.

      I can understand not figuring out about the potential meaning if you aren’t around people that will say something about it, if they even know. I mean, just looking at comments about this situation many people are also just now learning about the totenkopf. And if no one is telling you, who looks at their own tattoos without prompting and thinks, “imma google my own tattoos for shits and giggles”.

      Plus he got it covered up. His platform still sounds good. He’s taking steps to address it. He doesn’t seem like he’ll be a fetterman. This hurts his run obviously, but I don’t think he’s the bad guy some people are trying to make him out to be. Not everyone runs around with an encyclopedic knowledge of hate symbols, let alone young soldiers.

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    I’d say cautiously optimistic, hadnt seen the tattoo stuff before but doesn’t look too bad, on surface reading of articles I could believe he legit didn’t realize it looked like a Nazi thing, especially having taken it though army screening.

    Honestly if anything some of the reddit posts that were found make me like him more and believe he might be an actual progressive

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      The fact that there was oppo ready to go on him like that leads me to believe he’s a progressive.

      The party didn’t try to ratfuck fetterman.

      EDIT: Just looked into the tattoo thing. Ratfuckery or no, this doesn’t look good.

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            Why revel in ignorance?

            Mate you can’t use that line literally after saying well I didn’t know the skull was a nazi symbol

            https://lemmy.world/comment/20103272

            And again assuming didn’t read it when it’s hard to tell how progressive the person who did multiple tours in the middle east is who also doesn’t want to cut military spending just not give it to the pmcs, who he also served with.

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              Mate you can’t use that line literally after saying well I didn’t know the skull was a nazi symbol

              I feel like there is a difference in the claims as I was explaining that prior to this issue I didn’t know of the symbol, and your claim is about the policy of the person being actively discussed.

              But it probably doesn’t matter. It appeared to me that you were taking some sort of pride in not knowing. Sorry if I misunderstood.

              And again assuming didn’t read it when it’s hard to tell how progressive the person who did multiple tours in the middle east is who also doesn’t want to cut military spending just not give it to the pmcs, who he also served with.

              We are kinda strapped for a good choice here. Most of the time it’s take a chance on someone that might turn out bad or someone that is already awful. I believe there is a 3rd candidate for Maine, but I need to read more about them before commenting on them as an option. I’m aware Platner isn’t a perfect candidate, but I don’t think we get that option so my main argument in most of these threads is that he’s still a better option than the already rotten incumbent.

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      The Reddit posts were taken out of context. He was reiterating what another poster had said so he wasn’t the one to bring it up initially.

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        Was he just quoting them or was he advocating for them? I haven’t seen the reddit stuff yet. Any links you’ve read?

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    Delete Nazis, especially the ones who are proud enough to rep the ideology permanently on their fucking body.

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      so you’re saying people are incapable of change, criminals will always be criminals, and that there’s no chance he was telling the truth when he said he didn’t know it was a nazi symbol?

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        I’m saying if you are a progressive and want to run as a progressive, you should figure out what your tattoos mean first.

        It’s incredibly unlikely that 18 years passes with a skull and bones Nazi tattoo on your chest and never notice it or remove it.

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          okay so now you’re saying that he may have not known what it meant, OR that he could have changed but you’re not going to support him because he didn’t do a symbolic thing?

          sounds like purity tests

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    With that red flag coming to light I think progressives need to pivot to supporting Jordan Wood running for Democratic Senate in Maine.

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    Seems like a pretty easy option to not support the guy who went on 4 tours in the Middle East killing brown people and getting Nazi tattoos. Good luck liberals 🤣