“I don’t do politics because both sides are the same.”
I always hate that argument so much. Yes, Dem/Rep is the same, but that is one portion of the same side.
Even then, there’s some differences between them and within them… I’d happily vote for Mamdani if I was in New York, for instance.
I say nothing as a blanket statement as a general rule of thumb, but most democrats are no different then the Republicans. They are just into politics for the lifestyle. But some are genuinely ‘ok’. Much like ACAB, yes there are a few cops that are not the devil, but until they’re is systemic reform changing the whole establishment and preventing bad ones from existing (which are the vast majority), ADAB (all dems are bastards).
I think there’s some difference between tolerating shit colleagues (most of the “non-devil” cops), and actively trying to change the system from within (at least some of the democrats). I guess maybe there are some actively progressive cops, seems like that’d be a hard mission though…
The problem is, NO ONE gets to the federal level as a elected politican without being a millionaire first.
It’s classism, writ large on the lot.
AOC did it. Absolutely an uphill battle but there are exceptions
Yes they fucking are different.
Also, than*
No? Then is correct in that sentence.
Absolutely not. Than would be correct if the message wasn’t bullshit. Grammatically, then is wrong there.
Ok, can we just take a second to acknowledge the fact that you are trying to nitpick grammer in a debate about the moral and ideological quality of political groups. I really have nothing to say except for the fact that those kind of arguements have a history of being employed to try and undermine valid arguements by attacking the ‘intelligence’ of groups such as African-Americans to try and discredit their struggles and pain. (not trying to say it means that mine is more valid because you made that redirection, but please consider the implications of that tactic)
They may have one or two of the same goals (money, superiority complex, etc), but there is one side that is not actively not trying to bring about the fourth reich.
~Hint: The “lesser of two evils” are the dems, and not voting for them because they’re not perfect is (and I don’t usually go to this extreme) the most stupid and asinine argument any idiot could come up with.~
^In fact, dare I say, that the whole “both sides” argument is an argument created and propagated by the alt-right simply to sow discord among everyone else. The proverbial straw man fallacy, if you will.^
Agreed. Another element is that the Democrat platform “allows” for a wide range of issues and progressive ideas. The controlling faction (the ones that share greed and power values with the Republicans) stifles any real change however in order to maintain power and status quo. Progressive ideals in the Republican party are a non-starter so there is nowhere else to go. Really what ought to be happening is the Republican party getting demolished for its anti-American, anti-people, anti-freedom racist and fascist actions and a more progressive party created to compete with a possibly saner and more centric and cleaned up Democratic party. Gonna have to take out the nazi trash first though.
There are sooo many other issues (especially with foreign/wealthy interference), but it can all be done with effort and inclination. Now where did we put that box of it?
It’s a genuine conspiracy theory, but I sometimes feel like there is some overarching cabal that controls both sides (regardless of country of origin), so as to get both sides to concede their singular will.
I mean, billionaires.
I’m thinking more than that. They too are simple pawns.
Aliens? Lizard people?
No you don’t, you just wrote below that Democrats and Republicans are the same. You are a both sideser and this is how we got trump: mental sloth
At least the housefly got to feel morally superior for a little while
The irony of you saying that is not lost on the reader.
Fuck AI art.
The cockroach died first so the ants were happy.
Stop rewarding corporate captured centrist parties for failure. They will be annihilated next time around if they come back offering the same plate of shit.
The Dems need to learn from Republican successes. Those fucks have fully embraced the far-right, so the Dems need to put forward a true leftist agenda to fight back. Centrist politics have completely collapsed, it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee.
I feel like what determines whether the democrats move fully to the left or not is if Zohran is able to deliver on many of his promises. If he fails they’ll use it as justification that the party should be moving more rightward. However if he succeeds, then the sky is the limit
since cockroaches have developed resistance in some case, they killed all the other bugs instead.
Whatever the protest voter wanted to do if Trump won… they could have also done if Trump lost.
And it would have been more effective.
“Would you rather be fighting uphill, or fighting up a sheer cliffside with armed goons shooting and throwing rocks at you from the top, and passing laws making it illegal for you to climb?”
These dipshits genuinely disregarded the glaring threat that was Trump, and many of them have double or tripled down because they’re fucking children.
They can’t let their egos aside to acknowledge reality and how they fucked up. Doomed to repeat it like they did from 2016 to 2024.
Oh they’re all already saying they’d would never vote for Newsom and some are even suggesting not to vote for AOC because shes too close to center.
Someone espousing that shit is functionally identical to a fascist/magat
The genocide supporters won their election, yes, this is true.
The worse brand of either two brands of genocide supporters*
I think Jill Stein actually lost pretty hard
Plot twist: you’re the fly and the ants killed you to find common ground with the insecticide.
Idiots still confused why “boot” generated such poor enthusiasm since it was the only other option…
Still dedicate ridiculous amounts of time arguing against any actual pro-insect candidate.
Your perspective is so fundamentally flawed you had to change what the pic said to fit your narrative.
We simply wouldn’t be anywhere close to the apocalyptic speed run into fascism and genocide on US soil under Kamala.
You’re fucking delusional if you’re still “both sides”-ing this late in the game.
Too bad millions of vulnerable minorities and women have to suffer now because you couldn’t see the painfully obvious differences. The blood is partially on your hands now.
It’s a lost cause trying to debate with any of the the socialist/communist/aurhoritarian/tankie/whathaveyous.
They will just run you in circles defending points you never made. all to distract everyone from the fact that they don’t have one of their own to make.
Its not that they’re communist or socialist.
Its that they’re severely gullible and often uneducated morons who act more like Republicans than progressives.
Their entire political perspective is in spite of establishment Dems. They absolutely refuse to see reality for what it is nor understand that to win, they need to act strategically.
Right? Wait a sec… you might be on to something-
Hating someone politically because of the party they represent… who else do we know that does that?
Republicans… like I said.
Also a poor analogy. You’d never get even close to controlling a bug infestation with a boot. If you were doing your best at stomping bugs all day every day, you’d still never get ahead of them. Insecticide, on the other hand, that’s actually got a good chance of killing every last bug in the place.
I don’t think you understand any of this…
I really do, actually.
We’re already three layers deep in taking an extraordinarily complicated subject and boiling it down into simple political cartoons and hypothetical modifications to that cartoon.
You’re saying that the options are between “horrible” and “so apparently equally horrible as to make no apparent difference to the voting public.”
And I’m saying that even between the two options that you’re suggesting, there is a meaningful, even an important difference, and that not voting is still resulting in a worse outcome than voting for what seems to be an undesirable option.
Also, the subject isn’t even as simple as all that. In the real world, anyone capable of thinking ought to have been easily capable of seeing the material difference between the available options. It just turns out that “capable of thinking” is in catastrophically short supply in the real world.
You’re saying that the options are between “horrible” and “so apparently equally horrible as to make no apparent difference to the voting public.”
Nope.
Like you agreed with me: boots aren’t as good as killing insects as insecticide.
But they still kill insects.
My point was instead of trying to get the insects to vote for something that will kill less of them, insecticide would have been easily beaten by an option like “not killing any insects”, but obviously an option like “sugar water” would have done even better.
Ask more questions, make less assumptions.
You’ll actually learn stuff that way
Don’t assume you understand if something doesn’t make logical sense to you. Ask if you’re missing something.
Just don’t ask me, I won’t see it
My point was instead of trying to get the insects to vote for something that will kill less of them, insecticide would have been easily beaten by an option like “not killing any insects”, but obviously an option like “sugar water” would have done even better
And if wishes were horses everyone would ride, but we don’t live in that world. We try to make the best decisions we can, given the options available. It’s 2024, Sugar Water isn’t on the table, and we can impact the outcome of the election by choosing between Boot and Insecticide. One of those is in fact a better outcome for a bunch of bugs that don’t want to get eradicated. Refusing to play is still impacting the outcome of the election. Also, it really was not as bad as Insecticide vs. Boot. You simply cannot look around and claim in good faith that what we’re seeing in the streets is about the same, only in worse degree, than what would have happened if Kamala or even Biden for that matter, had been elected.
By the time it’s general election time, it’s too late to wish that Sugar Water were on the ballot. Engage early. Engage in lower level elections. Get Sugar Water elected to state level representation. Vote in primaries. But if all of that process has already taken place, and we still don’t choose the least bad option, then we are objectively helping the worst option to win.
Hmm all the bugs wound up dead… Even the ones that we’re like “both sides” and “I don’t even live in this country.” They didn’t save anyone or change anything, they just complained the entire time they died.
We’re doomed.
Every single dipshit virtue signalling faux leftist that comes on here and smugly proclaims they’re proud they “didn’t vote for a genocidal candidate”, all while enabling the FAR MORE genocidal candidate to win.
Trump isn’t far more genocidal, policy regarding Gaza hasn’t changed one bit (because geopolitics are 100% bipartisan in the USA). Your problem is that now they’re targetting people within the USA at an increased rate compared to Biden
You claim Trump is the more genocidal candidate, yet he has seemingly put a stop to the Genocide. Curious.
Hey dipshit,
Trump wanted to **complete the genocide: ** https://apnews.com/article/trump-gaza-plan-palestinians-israel-3f12eb51869da2221afbb22b0bcf47ba
And Israel has already broken the ceasefire talks, and your boy isn’t saying or doing shit about it: https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1976227360425783513
Oh, and let’s not forget Trump CREATING CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE USA AND DISSAPEARING HUNDREDS FROM EXISTENCE FOR BRING IMMIGRANTS: https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz
You know, when he’s not sending them to foreign concentration camps or war torn 3rd world shitholes they’re not even from nor have any connections in: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-04-10/about-90-of-migrants-sent-to-el-salvador-lacked-u-s-criminal-record
Trump supporters need to leave Lemmy and go back to reddit, your chosen cesspool
Posted to world is ironic
I mean, we’re seeing a rapid rise of the far right in almost every Western nation at about the same time.
This is relevant to much of the world
Good point in specifying that this problem is mostly specific to the western world (and a few Latin American countries).
I mean, Latin countries are certainly in danger too.
A fascist America means cold war era coup attempts in Latin countries are back. Maybe the US support won’t be in any way incognito whatsoever this time. US might straight up be sending troops all over Central and South America soon.
Look at what’s happening to Venezuela right now.
A fascist America means cold war era coup attempts in Latin countries are back
I mean, it’s not like Milei, Bolsonaro or the Nobel Prize laureate aren’t heavily supported by the US. “Cold war coups” never really stopped in Latin American countries
Prepare for it to esculate.
At least if we still had a democracy, it’d be easier to both spread the word and engage in meaningful protest to stop or severely hinder it domestically.
We don’t get that now. Nearly no mainstream media outlet has made mention of Venezuela until a Dem asked about it this week, and even so it ain’t getting the coverage it needs.
How did the “democracy” prevent all the Cold War shit? Millions of murdered in Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Iraq… US warmongering is bipartisan and kills millions regardless
Also, one of the main reasons the Vietnam war ended was mass protests against it.
The war had become extremely unpopular in the USA.
Democracy in the digital age makes the atrocities of a country harder to hide from their domestic population than fascism, wouldn’t you agree?
This is still a racist meme. So immigrants and minorities are being equivocated to roaches now?
When this is all over, the world needs to have kept notes on all who enabled/encouraged/maintained paradigms that were naziesque in nature.
This meme reeks of gated community democracy. “It’s the OK as long as it’s not in my neighborhood!”
This meme doesn’t equivocate roaches with minorities, it equivocates roaches with Democrats. The ants are Republicans voting for Trump, the insecticide harming everyone.
