• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
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    14 hours ago

    Funnily, I heard he was wearing a bulletproof vest and the bullet ricocheted off of that vest up into his neck. If that’s true, his clothing did in fact get him killed.

    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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      14 hours ago

      He was not. This has already been categorically debunked over and over again by people who know literally the first thing about ballistics.

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        2 hours ago

        Where can I find more information on this? I heard the same info from a right wing coworker I have conversations with occasionally. He’s real big into guns so what he said sounded legit to me as a not gun enthusiast.

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          Firstly, the burden of proof says it’s their job to demonstrate that Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest in the first place (let alone that the bullet struck him in it first), not yours to debunk it. We’ve really lost sight of how important this is in recent years.

          • There’s zero evidence Kirk was wearing body armor whatsoever.
          • I don’t think we’ve ever seen evidence of Kirk wearing body armor to debates elsewhere.
          • A bullet would’ve left at minimum a noticeable tear in Kirk’s clothing.
          • Neither journalists nor investigators mention anything about this even though there’s zero compelling reason for them not to and, for journalists, incentives to do so.
          • The round was 7.62x63 mm fired from a bolt-action rifle.
          • If that round strikes body armor, in order for it to stop (let alone ricochet rather than embed), the armor needs to be so thick that you cannot hide it under civilian clothing like Kirk’s. The armor would’ve been readily visible to everybody in attendance. Light armor Kirk realistically could’ve been wearing would be a non-factor.
          • Even if this magically happened, the improbably fucked-up physics required for a bullet to bounce from the torso into the cartoid artery seem vanishingly unlikely at best and implausible at worst.

          While much of this just shows extreme unlikelihood, the thickness of the alleged body armor is impossible to reconcile with the round and the weapon it was fired from.

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          1 hour ago

          If he’s right wing, he’s a fucking dipshit moron that NEVER knows what they’re talking about.

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      13 hours ago

      I appreciate that you used “I heard” and “if that’s true”. Word choice can be very important, and it’s frustrating when people don’t notice it.