He jerked himself off in front of a couple of women. It was defo inappropriate, but calling him a “predator” is fucking psychotic. Comparing him to rapists and predators like Weinstein or Diddy cheapens their crimes and invalidates the trauma they caused. It’s like equating a petty thief with a health insurance CEO, or Al Frankens’ “hover hands” to Trumps pedophilia and dozens of sexual assaults.
None of the hundreds of female comedians and actresses he’s worked with have ever said he treated them inappropriately.
I agree with your first part, your second part is wrong.
The ladies that made the accusations against him, which he confirmed were all true, were up-and-coming comedians.
They said because he was in a position of power they felt like they couldn’t say no to his request.
To his credit, he validated every woman that made an accusation. He also said he didn’t realize the women were saying yes because of the implication if they said no. I tend to believe his story because after the women came forward, he admitted what happened, and the allegations stopped, no one else came forward. That seems to me like a guy that used bad judgement and didn’t understand the power he had.
I think him taking a timeout, realizing that women have a whole different set of circumstances to deal with that guys don’t, and reflecting on that was warranted. I don’t think he needs to be shunned forever.
Everybody deserves a chance to course correct after repenting for mistakes. Denying redemption is downright psychotic. You don’t have to forgive or even forget, but if you don’t acknowledge the work someone does in reparation, you yourself are broken.
must suck for you, since the people youve hurt obviously won’t forgive you
Don’t take this as an insult (because it’s not meant as one), but accusing someone you don’t know like that kinda discredits anything you’re trying to say, whether you’re right or not.
There is no gender association in my comment nor did I presuppose your gender identity. In fact, I believe that what I said should be considered universal, not specific to this scenario.
Good luck finding peace. You seem to have a lot anger.
The second part is not wrong. Other than those 2 (3?) that accused him, none of the other hundreds of female comedians and actresses who have worked with him over the previous decades have said anything negative about his behavior.
How it would make me feel is irrelevant. The problem is that one can’t tell for sure how the subordinate will really feel because they’re pressured into faking enthusiasm.
Don’t make excuses for this man. He used his power over, as a successful comedian with a lot of control in the industry, to force sexual acts on unwilling women who feared for their careers. Then tried to justify it on a technicality. It’s creepy, it’s psychotic, and he should be on a list for it.
It would be adjacent to a prison guard dropping trow and making the inmates in his care watch him jerk off to them, their bodies, their presence. The guard in that scenario shouldn’t keep his job either. Or should he? He didn’t touch them right? He only touched himself, right? So that guard should keep his job, by your logic.
Louis had power over. Maybe not the same kind of power over but it was power. And he used it, and them, in a foul manner deserving of dismissal and possibly litigation.
It certainly puts his bit about men being the scariest thing for women in the dating world into perspective.
We can compare apples to oranges because they’re both fruits, but the phrase exists for a reason. This is a predominantly US community of which all are highly strung more than their usual shit right now, and you’re coming in unusually hostile as though you have a stake in the matter of this specific subject.
Chill out. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, but read the room and ask yourself if it’s worth the energy. You wint
Edit: I mean, fuck. Look at my comment. And I was putting shit on the guy… They don’t know what they want. Give em a few days.
He jerked himself off in front of a couple of women. It was defo inappropriate, but calling him a “predator” is fucking psychotic. Comparing him to rapists and predators like Weinstein or Diddy cheapens their crimes and invalidates the trauma they caused. It’s like equating a petty thief with a health insurance CEO, or Al Frankens’ “hover hands” to Trumps pedophilia and dozens of sexual assaults.
None of the hundreds of female comedians and actresses he’s worked with have ever said he treated them inappropriately.
I agree with your first part, your second part is wrong.
The ladies that made the accusations against him, which he confirmed were all true, were up-and-coming comedians.
They said because he was in a position of power they felt like they couldn’t say no to his request.
To his credit, he validated every woman that made an accusation. He also said he didn’t realize the women were saying yes because of the implication if they said no. I tend to believe his story because after the women came forward, he admitted what happened, and the allegations stopped, no one else came forward. That seems to me like a guy that used bad judgement and didn’t understand the power he had.
I think him taking a timeout, realizing that women have a whole different set of circumstances to deal with that guys don’t, and reflecting on that was warranted. I don’t think he needs to be shunned forever.
Everybody deserves a chance to course correct after repenting for mistakes. Denying redemption is downright psychotic. You don’t have to forgive or even forget, but if you don’t acknowledge the work someone does in reparation, you yourself are broken.
must suck for you, since the people youve hurt obviously won’t forgive you
Don’t come here, make excuses for abuse, and call people names if someone isn’t willing to see it your way or whatever your point is
people in this thread calling others fucking psychotic really stink of misogyny
Don’t take this as an insult (because it’s not meant as one), but accusing someone you don’t know like that kinda discredits anything you’re trying to say, whether you’re right or not.
There is no gender association in my comment nor did I presuppose your gender identity. In fact, I believe that what I said should be considered universal, not specific to this scenario.
Good luck finding peace. You seem to have a lot anger.
He already knew, it was part of his prescient comedian bit on dating.
https://youtu.be/yRzs7v0do_Q
The second part is not wrong. Other than those 2 (3?) that accused him, none of the other hundreds of female comedians and actresses who have worked with him over the previous decades have said anything negative about his behavior.
Your first statement says none. Your second statement says none except for the ones that did, that’s not the same thing.
An accurate sentence would be:
Besides the five women that accused him, no other female comedian or actress he’s worked with have said anything negative about him.
But, to say no female comedian has complained is just false, 4 of them weren’t anonymous.
What a weird fucking thing to jump so quickly to defend…
If a guy jerked themselves off in front of you, in a work situation, where there were more senior than you how would you feel?
Yes there’s grades of sexual predators, they’re still all predators, no-one is comparing here.
How it would make me feel is irrelevant. The problem is that one can’t tell for sure how the subordinate will really feel because they’re pressured into faking enthusiasm.
He abused his position of power for his own sexual gratification. That’s the definition of predatory behaviour.
Don’t make excuses for this man. He used his power over, as a successful comedian with a lot of control in the industry, to force sexual acts on unwilling women who feared for their careers. Then tried to justify it on a technicality. It’s creepy, it’s psychotic, and he should be on a list for it.
It would be adjacent to a prison guard dropping trow and making the inmates in his care watch him jerk off to them, their bodies, their presence. The guard in that scenario shouldn’t keep his job either. Or should he? He didn’t touch them right? He only touched himself, right? So that guard should keep his job, by your logic.
Louis had power over. Maybe not the same kind of power over but it was power. And he used it, and them, in a foul manner deserving of dismissal and possibly litigation.
It certainly puts his bit about men being the scariest thing for women in the dating world into perspective.
Wrong room.
We can compare apples to oranges because they’re both fruits, but the phrase exists for a reason. This is a predominantly US community of which all are highly strung more than their usual shit right now, and you’re coming in unusually hostile as though you have a stake in the matter of this specific subject.
Chill out. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, but read the room and ask yourself if it’s worth the energy. You wint
Edit: I mean, fuck. Look at my comment. And I was putting shit on the guy… They don’t know what they want. Give em a few days.
fuck the room