OP is regurgitating oligarch deflection. Oligarchs did this, age is completely irrelevant in this connection, and there will continue to be oligarchs in every single generation, unless something is done about it.
Sure, sure it’s the “boomers” fault, not the fault of countless corporations. I’ll bet people are pretty much as damaging as they were four decades ago.
The boomers have held the levers of power longer than any other generation, at least in America. It is their fault because they run the companies and they run the government.
Right but like our grandads? Like my grandad did that?
Why does everyone take statements about a population and then try to use a specific example to disprove it?
I’m talking about generalities. Look at who the majority of boomers vote for. Spoiler, it’s not democrats. I don’t know your grandpa. I don’t know what anyone’s grandpa did. But collectively, generally speaking, the stats say our grandpa’s share blame for voting R for decades and at the very least, for voting for corpo neolibs every primary.
Because hey, guess what, it’s not the new generations that have the highest participation in primary votes.
The last election young men overwhelmingly voted for Trump
Good point, but we’re letting them do it? We know better and we’re allowing it. Or, when it gets pointed out next that no party is offering to actually fix it, is it still their fault?
Boomer not want regulate oil company because then Boomer 401k go down.
Oh no!
Boomer vote for moron who make 401k go down anyway, Boomer house burn down / wash away in flood / hurricane.
Sad, indeterminate Boomer noises
Except corporations aren’t some mythical deities. They are run by people, especially boomers
What generation was it that invented leaded gasoline and put asbestos in everything knowing the negative effects even then, again? 🤔
Oh yeah… The Greatest Generation. Boomers just wanna be like their grandparents.
The “Greatest Generation” are the parents of Boomers.
Reminds me of when I got an ad showing intense heat and wildfires in my state, but the city names were AI generated Cyrillic text. Felt like a Russian was saying exactly that.
They probably upgraded to Latin script by now
Looks like that is mostly written in JPEG
Ha ha sure, 200 years of Industrial Revolution but it’s the “boomers” fault.
50% of fossil carbon has been released in the last 30 years.
So it was gen z who did it then.
Do you not listen to yourself how moronic that argument is?
Hi shit for brains. I was replying to a comment about the industrial revolution beginning 200 years ago. I wasn’t making a comment on gen z or baby boomers. I was pointing out that the people alive today are the ones responsible for climate change - not the people who lived over a hundred years ago. Bless you, I hope you have a great day.
This is wrong. It’s 20-25%. And the last 50 years includes a whole bunch on non-boomers and a massive industrialization of Asia. WTF is up with you people and “boomers”? There’s always going to be old people. And all of them were formerly young people.
I didn’t say a word about boomers, I was replying to a post about the industrial revolution and 200 years ago.
But to get back to my point, in 1993 the cumulative emissions were 861 billion tons and in 2023 it was 1770 billion tons. So almost perfectly doubled in 30 years.
‘Boomers’ as a term originated as, and is actually specific to American Baby Boomers.
The generation that lived through the most anomalous economic boom in US history, assumed that was actually normal, and consistently voted as a general block to ensure (among many other stupid things) that the climate would be destroyed for their grandchildren, children, and deliciously ironically, even themselves as they are now all set to retire…
… all when they had a disproportional amount of actual wealth, social power, thus ability to avert this, thus collective general responsibility for not doing so.
That is how any history books not written by Boomers will summarize this.
Two questions: 1) Who you gonna blame when they’re all dead and 2) What are other, apparently superior “generations”, en masse, doing to realize a better world?
- Them, still, because they are the ones who did the things.
This is like asking if I am still going to be blaming Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor, Andrew Jackson for the Trail of Tears.
- Well for example, Gen Z and Millenials have been, collectively, much more concerned about climate change and trying to have their voices heard, but the Boomers have also destroyed both the US Political System/Government and also Economy, and you… can’t really socially act from a position of little to no social power.
Your framing of this question does two things:
It misses the point that climate change is a time sensitive issue with a window for being able to address it. That window is largely passed now, now we are in the stage of ‘how do we mitigate/survive this’ instead of ‘how do we prevent this’.
And this is also victim blaming. Hey I burned down your house, why are you homeless, what are YOU doing to solve YOUR problem?
Then why did gen z males vote for Trump?
The generational level of “concern” can be measured in voter turnout data. It isn’t very good.
Sure, sure, but in the US, they never forgave Johnson for the '68 civil rights act and managed to elect Republicans for 78% of the time from 1970-present.
the US, they never forgave Johnson for the '68 civil rights act
Johnson passed the '68 Civil Rights Act, but failed to actively enforce it. The subsequent Nixon/Reagan Southern Realignment involved some of the most deliberate and calculated voter disenfranchisement in the country’s storied history of voter disenfranchisement.
Consequently, states like Texas and Louisiana and Georgia and Florida can host enormous pools of liberal and progressive minority voters who are blacklisted, caged, gerrymandered, or outright felonized. The lay (white) American only kinda-sorta understands it is happening (thanks to the tsunami of “Record High Crime!” news hysterics), while voter turnout rates stay abnormally low relative to their global neighbors.
What we saw following the Kennedy assassination in '64 was functionally a coup. Blaming “the American voters” for the subsequent composition of Congress and the White House makes about as much sense as blaming Egyptians for el-Sisi or Russians for Putin. This is a white settler government running an armed occupation, not a liberal democracy in any meaningful sense of the word.
By the numbers, the majority of whites continuously vote R. In fact, they haven’t voted majority D since, you guessed it, the civil rights act was signed. They are complicit and want these things. I’m not sure where this idea that they are being dragged about had come from, but they are actively choosing this every election cycle.
In fact, they haven’t voted majority D since, you guessed it, the civil rights act was signed.
By state, that’s clearly untrue. Vermont and Massachusetts and Minnesota and Oregon would be blood-red if the split was purely racial.
This is a very regionalized phenomenon and heavily predicated on the way governors and state legislatures have historically dictated enfranchisement.
they are actively choosing this every election cycle
In 2008, Obama enjoyed a slight majority of support over McCain among white voters. And that’s without discussing the landslide support he saw in the Midwest relative to Clinton.
There’s also a strong youth vote trend that favors progressive politicians, even (perhaps especially) among white voters. Meanwhile, older Black and Asian and Hispanic voters lean conservative relative to their ethnic mean.
Even then, voter participation in the US is abysmal - hoovering in the 50-70% range. To crib from Beto O’Rourke’s favorite lines, America isn’t a conservative country, its a non-voting country. White people aren’t choosing, any more than their colored peers. They are having their politicians pre-selected and force-fed to them by a handful of wealthy, ideological radicals. This leads to some of the worst approval ratings for elected representatives in the world.
Your fact posting makes me feel what I imagine people feel like at a revivalist church. Preach on UnderpantsWeevil.
Your link showed Obama receiving a maximum of 44% of the white vote. That is not a majority.
1964-present: https://decolonialatlas.wordpress.com/2020/11/06/white-voters-1964-2020/
Notice the shift…
“They” elected the Republicans? Voter turnout then and now says all ages were/are complicit in sitting on their hands. Boomer hate, though trendy and scores internet points, does nothing to resolve the current world situation and the future… Boomers are dying off rapidly. Whose fault will it be next…?
Well, of course, they’ve taught their children their shitty views and so on and so forth. I can’t even mic up with randos on a game without them hurling slurs in my direction.
It’s survivorship bias. The folks who survived from 1946 to 2025 were in the economic cohort with the least stress, the most accumulated wealth, and the most egregious consumption habits. Can’t blame all the Americans who died of black lung in the coal fields or were left destitute after midwestern industrialization or got wiped out during the AIDS epidemic or from heart disease or smoker’s lung or COVID or the 40k car fatalities/year, cause they’re not around anymore.
Safe to assume anyone still around does, in fact, carry a disproportionate share of the blame.
This. Modern climate change wasn’t really understood until the 70s.
While partially true, we have known that greenhouse gasses contributed to climate change since the 19th century:
In the late 19th century, scientists first argued that human emissions of greenhouse gases could change Earth’s energy balance and climate. The existence of the greenhouse effect, while not named as such, was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier. The argument and the evidence were further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838. In 1856 Eunice Newton Foote demonstrated that the warming effect of the sun is greater for air with water vapour than for dry air, and the effect is even greater with carbon dioxide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
It is true, however, that our knowledge greatly increased in the 1960s and 70s.
Cross post from a similar post.
I’m feeling guilty for running my truck motor here at break for the A/C but then I remember all those private jets at Davos.
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