CNN data guru Harry Enten broke down the latest polling in the Democratic Party on views toward Israel and the Palestinians on Wednesday and marveled at the massive shift in attitudes, declaring he’s “rarely” seen anything like it in his many years of looking at polling data.
Enten spoke to anchor Kate Bolduan in the context of Zohran Mamdani’s sweeping victory over ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic Party mayoral primary last week.
“What are we talking about here? All right, who do Democrats sympathize more with: Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points—more with the Israelis than the Palestinians. But look at this sea change. Now, Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.Oh my God! That is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of a sudden, it’s the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mamdani was able to do so well in this primary, because those attacks over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats”
What I think is most unbelievable is that the Israelis actually think people are buying their BS excuses. They really need to take lessons from Trump who apparently can make millions believe the most ridiculous lies.
Israelis don’t really care as long as people keep voting for the two parties which are in their pocket.
Isn’t that what Netanyahu has being doing all along?
So all of a sudden
Maybe something happened that caused the shift? Hmm, what could it be?
Don’t say it or you’re an anti-semite. Shocking that opposing the murdering and starving of people is antisemitic.
Was right on the tip of my tongue, but can’t quite come up with it. Something about a gen or side? Something like that I think.
genside? generation? genetics? idk
Now that trump is implementing centrists’ only policy for them, they have to pretend to dislike it.
Committing genocide tends to turn the public against you.
And somehow that comment is antisemitic. Because the Nazis are Jewish now. I just want people to stop killing other people!
I just want people to stop killing other people!
hey, that’s antisemitic! think of all the profits weapons companies could make, you’re hurting them. what about their freedom?
Yeah, boy, wair for it: there’re also a million less palestinians to sympathise with than there were 8 years ago. I think something is going on down there. Something very anti-semitic.
People still think the Democratic Party is a democratic institution lol
I mean, there wasn’t an incredibly well documented, active genocide happening 8 years ago.
That has a lot of sway on public opinion.
Did you drop an /s ?
There was, in Palestine. In 2014, Israel murdered like 1,400 Palestinians. This is nowhere near new for Israel, it is SOP for 70 years. The difference is that social media platforms gave us a direct view that corporate media actively chooses to not show us, as you pointed to.
Reporting almost 60,000 killed in this current war. That’s over 40x as many. Not downplaying the 1,400 but let’s not pretend this isn’t a great escalation compared to the atrocities of the past
And likely much higher than that
I became aware in the last 2-3 years of the nineties, but I was always drawn to places that discussed these things.
Counterpoint: Iraq and Afghanistan
nonsensical whataboutism, find me contemporary sources calling either of those wars genocides or face my wrath
I would say that the most telling thing is that there hasn’t been a similar shift among Republicsns.
Anyone who can look at what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, and increasingly in the West Bank, without being filled with horror, revulsion and pity is a monster.
Fox News simply isn’t covering the genocide. There’s your explanation.
Also look at what percentage of voters switched parties.
I hate you whoever came up with saying points instead of percentage.
It’s because describing a 56 percentage point increase as 56 percent increase implies a totally different result. A 56 percentage point increase on 10% is 66%. A 56 percent increase on 10% is 15.6%.
Holy shit
I assume it was adopted from sports betting, which I don’t understand.
People can fathom +56 points but +56% and their brains turn to goo. Just like most people need a calculator or special app to figure out tip.
they’re the same thing
They are not the same thing. Like, at all.
Yes that’s the point :3
But they’re not. And someone explained how they’re not an hour before you made this reply.
Thank you for posting this.
The people are rousing and that at least is consoling in the midst of this ongoing genocide by the state of Israel.
Yeah, democrats while flawed, are disproportionately comprised of compassionate human beings, who can recognize the difference between self defense and murder. That’s why Orange McFayg has been trying to demonize them and their ‘beliefs’.
It’s literally an attack on anyone who may show compassion, or inner reflection, remorse… You know human traits
McFayg?
It’s only deep blue states, won’t impact the country by much. Not to say rest of country are evil, they just care about their own interests and enjoy Fox News.
That is evil when you are the only country that can stop this.
…when you’re the country that is actually financing this. Take away US assistance, Israel would be a poverty stricken backwater.
People finally realized the entrenched “democrats” aren’t good people. They are poloticians just like the Republicans. We need a new party.
They are not “just like Republicans”. Yes, they’re corrupt, and it’s important to realize that. But like, holy shit man one party is literal fascists, and the other isn’t. That said, need labor party
Yes, they’re corrupt, and it’s important to realize that.
They’re also, you know, actively genocidal.
Israel is the world’s largest and oldest concentration camp for Jews. The citizens are mostly trapped there. Someone like Netanyahu isn’t living your average life of an Israeli citizen, either. It’s not zero sum. They are all being enslaved and they are all in extreme danger, Palestine much more so and much more urgently as of right now, but the Israeli people are also in danger as well
The survey, conducted in March and published by Haaretz newspaper on Thursday, found that 82 percent of Israeli Jews support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.
Meanwhile, 47 percent of Israeli Jews answered yes to the question: “Do you support the claim that the [Israeli army] in conquering an enemy city, should act in a manner similar to the way the Israelites did when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, ie to kill all its inhabitants?” The reference is to the biblical account of the conquest of Jericho.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll
Yeah, they live in a giant fascist concentration camp… it’s like interviewing North Koreans. They can get hurt, beat up
What a point even mean in this context? Why not giving percentage of who sympatisze with palestinians
percentage points. So additive math, compared to regular percents, which are multiplicative.
+14 pts israel means 57% in favor of israel vs 43% in favor of palestine (assuming you can’t give other answers) That’s the same thing as 33% more people in favor of israel.
+57 pts palestine means 78.5% in favor of palestine and 21.5% in favor of israel. That’s the same thing as 265% more people in favor of palestine.
A ‘point’ is 1 person in 100. When they say that people sympathized with Israel ‘by 13 points’, they mean that 44% of people favored Palestine and 56% favored Israel. Why not just say “13 percent” then? Because 56/44 = 127%. 27% more people sympathize with Israel when their net support is 13 points.
When the margin is 43 points, it means 29-71 (minus undecideds). 71/29 = 245%, and I guarantee you will break people’s brains if you tell them that 145% more people sympathize with Palestine than Israel.
