Instead of making America easier to see on all modes, the US Department of Transportation is encouraging U.S. residents to just get in their cars and drive.
Is… Is that the point, on a vacation? Id want to see stuff.
safety
Yeah, drivers try to kill cyclists all the time. They’re a menace.
convenience
On amtrak, i can go to the cafe car, get wasted, eat salty snacks, drop some acid, stare out the window for a couple hours, then nap. All without stopping.
The internet doesnt break. The bathrooms always work. The seats are comfier. What the fuck am i missing?
You will see stuff in a car, especially out west. Seeing things doesn’t really have relevance unless we are talking hundreds of miles per hour. A bike is slower than a car.
As convenience goes, we are talking about using a bike, not going on a train.
As far as comfort goes, a car is more comfortable than a bike. If you disagree, you only know economy cars.
A broader definition of safety includes health risks from a sedentary lifestyle, which would include a large proportion of people. Cycling reduces these risks, while driving makes them worse. Cycling still increases your life expectancy, so safety shouldn’t be a reason not to cycle.
Of course, perceived safety is important too as this is preventing people from taking up cycling. But that’s a different conversation.
A conversation best resolved with a global ad campaign of totally random totally apolitical car bombs. To advertise the dangers cars pose to us and our environment.
You’re genuinely brain-damaged if you think bikes are more comfortable than cars. No citation needed—it’s called having an ass. Like bikers literally get injuries for sitting on those microscopic seats for too long.
And we were talking about bikes, and you started talking about how amtrak is more convenient. Fucking huh??? Again, brain damaged.
You… You get off the bike to get onto the train. You know that, right?
injuries: bike butt!
I guess I’ve always felt more uncomfortable in and around cars. For some reason. I have dead nerves all over my fucking grizzled-ass fucking body thanks to cars. Places i just don’t feel anymore.
If i have problems with bike butt, i can sorta stand for a few minutes; it’s fine.
Exploring isn’t meant to mean zooming through communities as fast as you can. You can cover over 100km a day by bike, and truly experience the areas you’re passing through.
safety
Probably safer than driving. People in cars make cycle touring unsafe, but you don’t have to bike alongside them in many cases.
convenience
This is a matter of perspective. Some people, like myself, enjoy planning, gearing up, and executing the plan way more than “what’s the easiest way to do this?”.
comfort.
Debatable. I find sitting in a car for hours at a time to be excruciating. But I can sit on my bike and ride for 10+ hours at a time, and still want more. And if you’re in traffic? Good luck.
If you are doing a proper cycle tour or bikepacking adventure, there’s going to be a lot of opportunities to stop, visit local spots, eat, etc.
To me, a “road trip” is about the experience. Everything that comes after that is going to be about how you get to enjoy that experience. And I’d rather be doing it outside of a metal cage. I think most people who’ve experienced more than just driving would probably agree.
Also, shut the fuck up about how cars are debatably more comfortable.
If it’s pouring rain outside, would you rather sit in a car or on a bike? If there’s a blizzard outside, would you rather sit in a car or on a bike?
Like shut the fuck up with your dumbass bad faith arguments. You just want to be right. I fucking hate cars, but they’re literally designed for a comfortable, air-conditioned sit.
God I hate bitches who just argue for the sake of arguing.
Bike touring beats “road trips” by car any day of the week.
Except in terms of speed, safety, convenience, and comfort.
Great exercise, very green, and an experience though.
Is… Is that the point, on a vacation? Id want to see stuff.
Yeah, drivers try to kill cyclists all the time. They’re a menace.
On amtrak, i can go to the cafe car, get wasted, eat salty snacks, drop some acid, stare out the window for a couple hours, then nap. All without stopping.
The internet doesnt break. The bathrooms always work. The seats are comfier. What the fuck am i missing?
Citation. Fucking. Needed.
You will see stuff in a car, especially out west. Seeing things doesn’t really have relevance unless we are talking hundreds of miles per hour. A bike is slower than a car.
As convenience goes, we are talking about using a bike, not going on a train.
As far as comfort goes, a car is more comfortable than a bike. If you disagree, you only know economy cars.
I have driven a lot in the west, and what you see is just automobile infrastructure, which is pretty much the same everywhere and incredibly ugly.
The interesting sites require you to hike away from the roads.
Yeah. The road and cars around you, if you dont have ‘a driver’.
Because you need to move to move? Yeah. Also, you can take it much farther on most trails than a car.
Uh, okay. So walk? Stay on the train?
To add to this
A broader definition of safety includes health risks from a sedentary lifestyle, which would include a large proportion of people. Cycling reduces these risks, while driving makes them worse. Cycling still increases your life expectancy, so safety shouldn’t be a reason not to cycle.
Of course, perceived safety is important too as this is preventing people from taking up cycling. But that’s a different conversation.
A conversation best resolved with a global ad campaign of totally random totally apolitical car bombs. To advertise the dangers cars pose to us and our environment.
You’re genuinely brain-damaged if you think bikes are more comfortable than cars. No citation needed—it’s called having an ass. Like bikers literally get injuries for sitting on those microscopic seats for too long.
And we were talking about bikes, and you started talking about how amtrak is more convenient. Fucking huh??? Again, brain damaged.
You… You get off the bike to get onto the train. You know that, right?
I guess I’ve always felt more uncomfortable in and around cars. For some reason. I have dead nerves all over my fucking grizzled-ass fucking body thanks to cars. Places i just don’t feel anymore.
If i have problems with bike butt, i can sorta stand for a few minutes; it’s fine.
Exploring isn’t meant to mean zooming through communities as fast as you can. You can cover over 100km a day by bike, and truly experience the areas you’re passing through.
Probably safer than driving. People in cars make cycle touring unsafe, but you don’t have to bike alongside them in many cases.
This is a matter of perspective. Some people, like myself, enjoy planning, gearing up, and executing the plan way more than “what’s the easiest way to do this?”.
Debatable. I find sitting in a car for hours at a time to be excruciating. But I can sit on my bike and ride for 10+ hours at a time, and still want more. And if you’re in traffic? Good luck.
If you are doing a proper cycle tour or bikepacking adventure, there’s going to be a lot of opportunities to stop, visit local spots, eat, etc.
To me, a “road trip” is about the experience. Everything that comes after that is going to be about how you get to enjoy that experience. And I’d rather be doing it outside of a metal cage. I think most people who’ve experienced more than just driving would probably agree.
If you have never driven through the middle of America, you would have quite the time trying to do so on a bike.
It would be an adventure, to say the least.
Bike fits on a train much easier than a car at least.
I don’t even know if America has passenger trains with car carrying. I believe that is a thing in Europe and maybe Asia.
I’ve only ever heard of one. If you need to travel Virginia to Florida with your car at the right time
Also, shut the fuck up about how cars are debatably more comfortable.
If it’s pouring rain outside, would you rather sit in a car or on a bike? If there’s a blizzard outside, would you rather sit in a car or on a bike?
Like shut the fuck up with your dumbass bad faith arguments. You just want to be right. I fucking hate cars, but they’re literally designed for a comfortable, air-conditioned sit.
God I hate bitches who just argue for the sake of arguing.
100% bike. It’s fun! A rain poncho, and you’re set.
Also, a road trip in a car while it rains would suck.
Neither. But I’m from Canada and bike through the winter. Also more enjoyable than driving in the winter 😀
Your response proves you’re not from america and have no idea what you’re talking about 🤣 (americans don’t know what kilometers are)
Said like a true european or someone who lives in a huge city with biking infrastructure.