watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war
Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.
He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.
If Israel manages to send the US to war it may start a chain reaction.
💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.
so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.
on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. “lebensraum” and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the “inferior” races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.
so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren’t isolationists.
True. If germany wouldn’t have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now. Europe is lucky in the sense that USA and europe are separated by a big ocean. Otherwise USA politics would have affected europe. Also USA can remain isolated for a long time. And this makes it dangerous for people living there. Because europe and other countries cannot force USA to change its internal rules or cannot advise USA about its internal affairs.
ngl i was kinda hoping you’d say my statement is bull and germany wouldve been wiped out anyways regardless of starting a war lol (: i hate this timeline ;-;
I’m sorry 🫂 there’s not always a happy ending. the genocide of Native Americans, for example.
take care of yourself, and take care of your trans and migrant siblings. that’s all we can really do, but maybe it’s enough. ❤️
Just saying, they will fall apart without dear leader. Nobody else in his camp can rile up the people like he does. And half of his camp still hates him, but has fallen in line. But time is of the essence here. The longer you wait the worse it will get. If you wait for old age to do the job, the damage done might be too great.
Nobody else in his camp can rile up the people like he does.
That’s what they said about Kim Il Sung. Few thought Kim Jong Il would be able to take his place. Now we’re on our 3rd generation. I think there’s enough hate whipped up, they’ll follow anyone that lets them take it out on the vulnerable
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany. This is the only historical point of reference in American discourse. All historical comparisons default back to it because Americans don’t know anything else, not even their own history… like the Japanese Interment camps. Recorded human history is around 10,000 years old and it has everything, but somehow people in this country think there are no historical events or time periods to draw parallels from outside of what happened in central Europe during Hitler’s reign.
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany.
To be fair, all we should need to say is “It’s kind of fucked up to do <fucked up thing being done>” and people should agree and it should stop. Instead, so much of the media and so many propagandized conservatives are just denying it all and making up excuses. Historically, Nazi’s have been universally seen as unequivocally evil so it’s the only comparison that we think might get through.
Now though… Musk can fucking salute Hitler twice in a row at the presidential inauguration and calling it out is contentious. We’re frankly out of ideas.
ignorant, is understatement, i think some areas arnt even teaching history from ww2 and on
Yah but to be fair, MAGA isn’t helpful in this regard by being so much like the Nazis.
I mean it’s fine to make comparisons if they’re valid, but Nazi Germany comparisons are literally the only comparisons that I see. I never see these camps being compared to the Russian Gulags or MAGA being compared to the Know Nothings from the 1850s or Trump being compared to Andrew Jackson, and so on. These comparisons are also accurate and valid, and I would argue that they add an element of depth that our discourse severely lacks.
If you had to compare what’s going on AND our trajectory to a horrible historical event, which would it be and why?
That most likely is the case.
But an areal picture of a bunch of cheap houses in a row isn’t that good of an argument.
Also, the Holocaust was more about the gas chambers than the locking up.
Gas chambers were first trialled in October 1939 and went into regular use in early 1940.
Hitler came to power in January 1933. So it took 6 years and 8 months (or 80 months in total) to get from getting to power to gassing people.
Hitler only started mass deportations in October 1938, so 5 years and 8 months (or 68 months) after he got to power.
Trump has been in power for less than 6 months now.
They are ALREADY DYING IN THESE CAMPS. We are all complicit at this point.
Go fuck yourself I have been and will continue to do what little I can to fight this and I am not remotely complicit
What are we supposed to do? Go there ourselves? I’m not trying to be a dick but what can normal people do to help?
Imagine what a person in one of those cages would want to do if they weren’t in those cages.
We need to do what’s right.
Until there is legitimate, sustained, and effective opposition to this Alligator Auschwitz, the rest of the world sees it as American as apple pie and school shootings.
It’s speed running to the wrong side of history.
Apple pie isn’t American, it’s origin is in England and the European mainland afterwards.
School shootings are American and they can keep those.
When has America been on the ‘right side of history’? It’s been humanity’s bully ever since WW2, and before that they murdered and displaced the locals. I see this as nothing more than an expression of the well known Anglo-Saxon (read: Germanic) MO/ideology. Idk what’s up with them, honestly, but you can count on a majority of them to choose murder and pillage before morals, peace and self-restraint.
Anyone who believes this can be stopped through any means other than revolt is either a fool or a liar. Take up arms, organize with your community, and fight back.
i see this posted a lot. so why don’t you go do it yourself? i know why: because you KNOW that taking up arms and attacking ICE will make Trump send his army at you to kill you, and all this will accomplish is make you a martyr they can use in propaganda OR ignite a full on civil war. i am tired of seeing this post. stop encouraging people to do things that YOU YOURSELF find unreasonable to do. and if you find it reasonable, than put up and shut up and stop fucking posting about it to look cool. we’ll see you on the news.
ignite a full on civil war
It’s already a civil war.
Don’t mistake me I basically agree with everything your saying, but make no mistake we are Germany in the '30s, whatever you are doing is what you would have done then.
We’re all on the internet talking tough about it while the camps are being built…
I bought a gun, I bought ammo, I have encouraged friends to do the same and taken them out to learn how to use a firearm, as many of them had never done so before. We are organizing, we are preparing, we are waiting for the moment the first shot is fired to rise.
we constantly ignore atrocities as a species. it is not new. it is not every persons responsibility to play morality police and risk their lives to defend other people. people were not evil just because they DIDN’T fight the nazis. fighting FOR the nazis? yes. but condemning people for not fighting is fucking asinine and not something ANY person is obligated to do and I’m tired of people acting like it is
I went out, got a permit to purchase, and bought a gun plus ammo shortly after Trump was elected. I have been prompting friends and others to do the same, organizing who I can to the cause. I am no fool, one man with a gun can’t solve this, nor do I believe myself to be some great revolutionary leader who will lead the nation into the future. So, instead, I promote the cause, I continue to try to organize and prepare for the eventual war that is to come, and remind people like You that You have done nothing and continue to do nothing. You can change that, the revolution does not only need fighters, but those willing to spread the message of rebellion, and those willing to do what they can to support the cause. Stand with us, or stand aside.
having fun fellating yourself on top of your high horse on the Internet? sorry, but it is not every persons responsibility to play morality police and risk their lives to defend other people. condemning people for not fighting is fucking asinine and not something ANY person is obligated to do and I’m tired of people acting like it is
Nah, we are, we are. We can just be too cowardly to do it (God knows I would be if I were in the same position). And lying about it, even if you’ve also lied to yourself, is a bit shameful.
They might still be on step 2
Is step 2 posting on social media?
Step 2 is organizing, spreading the word of revolution. We are in the “pamphlet” phase if you will, when it is most important to spread the word of the revolution, to gather support and to encourage others to form their own militias and organize with their communities. To jump straight to violence when you have no one to support you is merely suicide, plans must be made, supporters brought in, and then the match can be lit.
Call it by what it is:
Alligator Auschwitz
Whoa, I hope that catches on. Fr, that’s spot on.
It’s definitely catching on.
Oh, you mean the name, not the idea. Thing is, people who are still okay with all this will embrace such a name, they don’t have any compassion to care, ridicule or not.
America started down this path all the way back in 9/12/2001. We didn’t hold Bush accountable, Obama, Trump, or Biden. Now the lunatic is using the tools provided to him.
O’bama
This is killing me lol
TIL Obama is of irish decent.
https://www.irishfamilyhistorycentre.com/article/president-barack-obamas-irish-ancestry/
Didn’t know he was half-irish 😃
Honestly, it started sooner I think, or more to the point, it’s had this sort of tendency lurking in the background for it’s whole history to lesser and greater extents, the last few decades until the current one just being something of a lower period that makes this stand out by contrast.
After all, these aren’t exactly the first concentration camps built in or by the United States, the country has a history with forced labor and institutionalized racial supremacy so severe that the country literally split itself apart over it at one point, and it’s founding and expansion to it’s current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
The silver lining to all this I guess, if you can call it that, is that this history and the fact we even had something of a relative lul in all this, implies that as bleak as things look, the racism, nativism, and disenfranchisement can be squashed down again, because it’s been done here before.
denial is a powerful weapon. along with propaganda, gaslighting, state controlled media, money-- all things deployed to make the average, normally decent human being witness the atrocities going on around them and say “i mean, this is america. we wouldn’t allow masked men to kidnap people for no reason” as they watch their literal american citizen neighbor getting kidnapped, imprisoned, deported. murdered. for no reason
File that along with Hillary Clinton in the debate telling us exactly what Trump would do. People called her a liar then too.
LOL see my comment in that thread
I certainly concur.
Dont forget media consolidated and owned by the wealthy
Donadolf Drumpfler
That’s his hero, he’s Señor Don Taco.
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one difference is the camps of the nazi are concrete and robust structures, the trump ones are cheap half assed temporary buildings or tents. especially with hurricane they are susceptible to wiped off of florida.
I think that’s by design, no need for gas chambers when you can just tee up mother nature.
They’re definitely concentration camps but I don’t think this is a good way to draw the comparison, you could easily do the same side by side with FEMA camps (temporary housing) after a natural disaster. Something that the conspiracy oriented people have been doing for a long while.
Let’s have a close up of it as a comparison, not just one of the roofs. There’s just better ways to do this.
definitions:
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prisons hold prisoners accused or convicted of crimes. the big difference between prisons and concentration camps is scale and homogeneity - camps are bigger and have one kind of prisoner.
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gulags hold political prisoners but aren’t as big as concentration camps. kinda Soviet-specific.
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reeducation camps hold masses of political prisoners with the goal of indoctrinating them with some ideology. the Xinjiang camps for the Uighurs are an example.
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concentration camps are mass prisons for political prisoners - usually prisoners of war or ethnic minorities. most Nazi camps, along with the Japanese internment camps, were concentration camps.
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death camps are concentration camps used for mass murder/genocide. Auschwitz was the major Nazi death camp for the Holocaust, though there were a few others.
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refugee camps are mass temporary shelters. you’re allowed to leave. FEMA camps and various UN camps are good examples.
Alligator Auschwitz is a concentration camp because it’s 1) massive, 2) full of the same type of prisoner (ethnic minority migrants), 3) who can’t leave. it’s not yet a death camp, but most Nazi camps weren’t death camps (they centralized that!)
I mean thanks for the information that I already knew. I don’t quite understand the point of your comment though cause we agree on this, that it’s a concentration camp.
Edit: I was talking about using aerial photos for the comparison being bad not comparing the current concentration camp that was just built in Florida to other concentration camps being bad. In case that’s your misunderstanding of what I was talking about.
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there’s videos of the inside, which is rows and rows of cots of three in a stack, separated by chain link fencing, no amenities or windows, posted gleefully by people like Benny Johnson (who is a Maga psycho)
Yeah I saw the video and pictures a little bit after I commented and I think taking that kind of thing and putting it side by side with Auschwitz is a much better side by side.
Also it’s cots of 2, just normal bunk beds, not 3. 3 was what it was like down in El Salvador. Not that that matters much but yeah.
