Everyday we stray further from jod.

Arnold as Terminator from The Terminator versus Arnold as The Terminator from Terminator II

The DNC is a direct and explicit enemy of leftism

They are also a direct opponent of themselves. The chaos and division in this community, its a direct result of the incompetence of Democrats and the limited range of responses we can have to it: criticism or denial. Republicans didn’t “win” in November: The Democrats fucking blew it. They blew it HARD. Trump was as unpopular, as the incumbent who stepped down because he was so deeply unpopular. The DNC were’ given one of the best second chances in the history of politics, the took the opportunity to assert their own agenda, frog marching the candidate to the right, and lost the fucking big game.

You had two choices, at the start of 2024, regarding how to deal with Democratic incompetence. You could deny it, or you could highlight it. The goal of denying it, I suppose, was to hope that voters wouldn’t notice. Highlighters, our goal was to get these fucking incompetents to actually win. To get them to actually change their fucking strategy, their rhetoric, their approach. The denialists cost us our democracy by refusing to address or even acknowledge the real, legitimate criticisms people have of the DNC; how a party of half a loaf politics is simply not good enough for most people to show up for. Half-a-loaf, the compromising of ones values, loses to fascism, every time. And half-a-loaf is all we’ve gotten from Democrats for the past half century.

Learn the fucking lesson: Gaslighting voters loses elections. You can’t fake being the “party of the people” when you never show up for them. Or if when you do its just a fucking corporate sellout like Obamacare or build-back-better. If you want to win elections you can’t fake it.

If this is how the DNC is going to approach politics, the future of this country: **they will not win another election, ever.

smelania

Haven’t really thought about it much

The system works

And use 1 ply with no bidet?

Savages.

Before enlightenment, caffeinate and defecate.

After enlightenment, caffeinate and defecate.

Drink enough coffee to shit before leaving the house.

“Its shitposting all over the carpet. And you think thats cute?”

Yeah so I’m a huge fan of the Intelligence Squared series. I think they do debate, excellently.

I highly recommend reviewing this old gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiEI8CtuSKs, which I think is highly relevant today, which addresses the premise “Has Obama overstepped his congressional mandate?”

The way that this debate program works, is that an audience is polled, prior to observing the debate, with regards to the impression or conclusion of the thesis. So some audience members say “I agree, Obama has overstepped.” some say “I disagree, Obama has not overstepped.”. These data are recorded on a per audience member basis.

Once these data are recorded, the debate proceeds. Now I’m not so hung up on the Oxford debate structure (two teams, prime and secondary, minute based timed sections, etc). I think the way debate happens here is perfectly fine. But I think the scoring is really important.

Once the debate is concluded, the audience is polled again. The “winners” of the debate are not the team which has the highest raw score at the end of the debate, but whichever team has changed more minds.

Now I’m not interested in the structure of the debate as being important here, so much as, the registering of a prior opinion, and then the registering of a posterior opinion, as a part of the debate structure.

I’m imagining this as either a secondary web page where a debate can be “registered” and then a bot proceeds to become involved in that thread. Users can maybe use the spoiler tag to register their initial opinions (or maybe they need to go off site; clumsy, but simpler). I dont quite know how it would all connect together, but the way I’m imagining it is that its a separate server with, where a question gets “registered”, which spawns a bot (which manages and monitors that specific thread and maintains polls from within the thread).

“influence” someone else’s communications unilaterally is really necessary to a good community

I completely agree. I think that some elements of Lemmy are extremely destructive and toxic because of this. I think communities should be self governing, and that these little fiefdoms are deeply problematic. However, if I was going to develop a fediverse bot app for managing and scoring debates, I would most definitely need mod access to the community.

My thinking here is to hopefully prevent the de-evolution of debate into whatever garbage has become of the current state of TV “debate”, where two people talk across one another, can’t be moved and don’t move each other, and then each team declares victory at the end.

Scoring based on the number of minds changed is the hallmark of a good debater.

I mean, why would I bother doing that for a community I don’t have influence over?

Nothing is stopping you from making that tool without mod powers…

Except the motivation, the time, and a good reason to do so.

Hey make me a mod. I want to build a tool to do oxford debate style scoring and this might motivate me to do so.

gee thanks I’m cured

Why even bother with words if we’re going to do this with them?

:cautiously lifts onions to mouth, taking a bite:

iblb

Yeah I wouldnt expect the elevation to be an issue? I’ve always found it growing at sea level/ warm climates. My understanding is that it can’t withstand cool temperatures. Its for a friends farm, but we don’t expect fruits for decades.

All basically sea level. I was in a longan & rambutan grove last week, with some trees as old as 80 years.