You’re saying that as if this is a violent uprising, as if it’s damage enough to stop any oppression. We used to have a man who might’ve asked to keep some progressives alive to debate them. In his place is fodder for those who would not.

“They were going to do it anyways” is not reason to help their believability.

It’s not “suffocate on their blood”; it’s that there’s a vital artery on the neck. Hitting it means the target is pretty much already dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shooting_of_Charlie_Kirk.webm

the classic example is charlottesville

a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators

“Why is the Republican Party, why is the conservative movement to blame for gay, schizophrenic nudists that are hemp jewelry-makers breaking into somebody’s home, or maybe not breaking into somebody’s home,” Kirk said in the segment. “Why are we to blame for that exactly?” “And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”

chances are they’ll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called “unite the right”, after all

I didn’t mean to say you or anyone else here has an ulterior motive or something, sorry if it came off that way; I’m saying that just like whiwake is here to discuss things relevant to progressive politics I’m here to discuss things relevant to progressive politics.

Assuming that’s what you’re talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/.

The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with “If you read this, you are gay LMAO”. (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to “preserve national order”.)

We’re under the whims of the state. We don’t have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads’ bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you.

I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well:

https://kbin.melroy.org/m/[email protected]/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi

I agree with what you say, and I don’t think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.)

unfortunately, our current hierarchical society does ascribe lower value to them than e.g. Cenk Uygur, founder of The Young Turks. i’m not saying Kirk as nearly as good as Uygur, but they have had a similar impact.

and they’ve heard of the minnesotan lawmakers before they died? even if they have, way less people have heard of them compared to hearing of kirk.

nothing more than the goals of the other commenters here

Dehumanization does nothing but feed into the bad faith right wing’s smearing of progressivism as a whole. Even uprisings need to consider opponents as capable of thought and assume more than constant misery. Just using different words is not going to change reality for the better, especially if said words are misleading. This is the kind of rhetoric that can be used to justify them shooting us. It’s just more excuses for Trump to create a police state.

I didn’t hear about them before they died. And Turning Point is pretty much the MAGA youth league. Dismissing the US’s most influential MAGA voices as just “a YouTube personality” is not doing anything any favor.

The two state lawmakers were as prominent as Charlie Kirk?

When was the last “regular murder” of this kind—against a political figure of such prominence? Say all you want about their bigotry, I agree, but that is currently mainstream politics. Like it or not, the kids were not prominent, and lives that are not prominent get buried despite their status as preventable horror.

wait, you’re right. not sure what i was thinking of… then i guess it’s an easy way to get a unique human-readable subscriber identifier?

telephony only uses a subset of internet things so building just telephone lines is cheaper, which matters especially in the global south

interesting timing

Here’s Angel the drag queen from Rent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBo9L82LXf4

granted the movie version is a ways less potent than the stage musical you get the idea

You mean weirder. A ways weirder.