Say the average bus is 10 tons empty and the average car is 2. The fourth power law states that the bus is 625x as much wear on the roads.
It’ll reduce traffic jams, as well as empower people who can’t, or can barely, afford the fare, but road maintenance? Not so sure.
What would help more with the road network maintenance is taxing heavy vehicles. Commercial vehicles could get a bigger threshold and personal vehicles a smaller one.
Cars impose a ton of other societal costs too, busses still win. Expanding public transit usually saves money. (it helps if you can move some traffic to rail)
Yeah that’s already factored in as savings and thus deducted from the costs:
The cost of eliminating fares from all city buses would likely be north of $700 million – an MTA analysis from 2022 put the cost for fiscal year 2026 at $778 million, Mamdani’s campaign said. A separate analysis on free local bus service from the city Independent Budget Office incorporated savings that fare-free bus rides would produce, including on fare enforcement and collection costs, totaling $33 million per year. They found the total cost would be $652 million.
I already deducted an extra $52 million for a good-looking number. Whatever the independent analysis didn’t think of is not likely to go beyond this $52 million.
If you don’t include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won’t pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could’ve been used for infrastructure remains.
It gets paid for by savings in road network maintenance. More people on transit = less cars destroying everything.
Say the average bus is 10 tons empty and the average car is 2. The fourth power law states that the bus is 625x as much wear on the roads.
It’ll reduce traffic jams, as well as empower people who can’t, or can barely, afford the fare, but road maintenance? Not so sure.
What would help more with the road network maintenance is taxing heavy vehicles. Commercial vehicles could get a bigger threshold and personal vehicles a smaller one.
Cars impose a ton of other societal costs too, busses still win. Expanding public transit usually saves money. (it helps if you can move some traffic to rail)
I don’t think that’s gonna cover much of the $600 million after eliminating fare enforcement costs.
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Enforcement costs includes pay systems, enfircer paychecks, gear, blood, and lawsuits for the victims
Yeah that’s already factored in as savings and thus deducted from the costs:
I already deducted an extra $52 million for a good-looking number. Whatever the independent analysis didn’t think of is not likely to go beyond this $52 million.
I dont think its polite to include the settlements of cases of police abuse. Or monetizing the dead.
If you don’t include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won’t pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could’ve been used for infrastructure remains.
Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient.
What is the point you’re trying to make here?
Also, what does this have to do with means testing?
Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It’s usually an anti homeless measure.