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      Prosecutors already botched their case by failing to turn over evidence to the defense.

      This leads me to the conclusion that there defects in their case that they can’t figure out how to cover up.

      They need prove he actually did it and it seems like they fumbling that…

      Jury nullification only comes in place if jury thinks the state proved their case but these clowns can’t and likely won’t be able to 🤡

      All the bootlickers who jumped on the he did it train should be fucking ashamed of their pathetic existence

      Disgusting behaviour, no class solidarity

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    It’s about sending a message. What’s silly is that this will actually encourage the most desperate to go to greater lengths. What do you do when you have nothing to lose? Whatever the fuck you feel like

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      Yep. Give it a few more months and a lot of people the idiots in charge have been mass firing will be at the end of their rope, having lost everything to debt/foreclosure/bankruptcy. We’ll see more of this violence before things change.

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      What do you do when you have nothing to lose? Whatever the fuck you feel like

      I am surprised how old people will accept shit conditions… Bootlicker mentality is ingrained in them I guess s

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    It’s actually good that the US is trying to be harsher about it. Seems unlikely the jury will conclude the crime warrants that punishment, leading to a not guilty (since the jury only gets to say guilty or not) and no double jeopardy. IMO this is actually how Luigi will avoid much, if any, prison time, like with the Casey Anthony case. Happens with other murders where the prosecution fucks up by demanding a harsh conviction where there is too much doubt or mitigating factors. They get greedy, and lose the entire case.

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      Unfortunately, punishments (except the death penalty) may not be considered when determining guilt in trials by jury.

      While it will be tough to find people who don’t know anything about this, the courts will be able to find an impartial jury, and one that likely doesn’t follow the news or know of the potential punishment.

      It will never be stated to the jury, and technically no jury member is allowed to mention it if they do know it.

      The terrorism charges on the other hand will be extremely difficult to prove. And that might be what frees him.

      Edit: This comment has been corrected by the person below. The death penalty decision comes as a secondary trial after a defendant has been found guilty. Source: https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/sentencing

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        And that’s a big problem with our system, in that if you happen to have the misfortune of being involved in a high profile case, you have to be judged by uninformed idiots.

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          Yeah, let’s jury select a bunch of hick ass yokels, who don’t read the news, who don’t know shit about anything, so we can convince them to vote the way we want.

          Is that really a jury of your peers? No.

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          Jury members are typically highly capable of reasoning and understanding as they are carefully chosen from a large pool of candidates. They tend to be highly educated professionals (for many reasons, not just because lawyers choose them) who just also happen to not closely follow news, politics, or be chronically online. They likely know about some guy killed a healthcare CEO a few months ago, but there knowledge of the situation is only surface level and not influenced by media biases. This makes them best able to form rational conclusions as a result of the trial.

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    The prosecutor of the Texas case said he would have loved to give the guy the death penalty. But that would delay the start of the trial to 2028 and apparently the relatives of the victims approached him and requested a plea deal, to avoid a prolonged trial.

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    You do realize that accepting a plea deal to avoid the death penalty is only possible if prosecutors seek the death penalty?

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      We only have the headlines to go off but it looks like the prosecution have offered the Texas guy a plea deal but haven’t offered Luigi one.

      That means that the death penalty was technically on the cards but it doesn’t mean that they were actually going to go for it.

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        It’s pure speculation what deals are or aren’t being offered Mangione. I’d be surprised if he isn’t offered one at some point.

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    I think this is pretty routine in America isn’t it? People will accept a lot when the alternative is death.

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    Pardon my ignorance, but what’s the offering in the plea deal? Plead guilty and we won’t recommend death penalty, or is it something else?

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      The DA said it’s a guilty plea in exchange for them not seeking the death penalty. My understanding is that the judge can still reject such a deal, however. Since the DA said it’s at the request of most victims’ families involved, I’m guessing the judge would accept.