What does someone have to do that means no amount of remorse or effort to fix things will get you to forgive them? I don’t mean forgive and forget to the point where they can hurt you again. If someone repeatedly steals from you, forgiveness doesn’t mean putting them in a position where they can steal again.
I’m asking this purely out of curiosity. I’m just wondering what the attitude in my corner of the internet is.
For me, it’s really just a lack of actual remorse or effort to fix things. As long as they’re willing to demonstrate they recognize what they did and will work to be better (and it’s not a recurring pattern), we’re cool.
I think generally the same but there are extreme cases like murder where a person can atone all they want but shouldn’t necessarily be granted forgiveness.
To me it kinda have to depend on what kind of murder. Accidentally killed someone in self defence or as a victim of abuse? Yeah it can be forgiven. Going out of their way to kill someone or doing something that’s dangerous that result in killing someone? That’s unforgivable.
I hereby declare all of those unpremeditated types of murder should henceforth be referred to as “oopsies”.
Murder makes it sound so intentional in my mind.
The legal term for a lethal ‘oopsie’ is manslaughter I’m pretty sure.
Ive always found it a little strange that the law and insurance companies and human society in general is hyperfocused with finding a scapegoat to blame and persecute. People die sometimes just because of shit happening outside of anyone’s control but we’ve gotta dig for someone to pin blame on. Someones parachute didn’t work right that day? Its the parachute makers or the safety inspectors or the airplane owners who are to blame and not random unavoidable small chance of statistical failure rates. Gotta sue sue sue!
I always recommend reading the whole thing, because the work is incredible, but as to the ‘oopsie’ of manslaughter, it’s nice to read some of the theory behind it: https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=185 (edit, oh god, the april fools thing is horrible. I’m sorry in advance)
As for the parachute thing, most of the time the cause of the accident is the skydiver. https://www.uspa.org/searchincidentreports It also makes a lot of sense to look closely at the manufacturers/inspectors/dropzone operators, because otherwise a lot of shit could get swept under the rug as just random occurrences. As in engineering, we must examine where we can fix what went wrong. I can understand the frustration that the process often is entangled with the courtroom, but if a jury, presented with evidence and arguments by both sides, comes to the conclusion that one party was injured due to another’s actions and restitution is deserved, who the fuck are we to gainsay that? I’m aware of many times where the “random unavoidable small chance of statistical failure rates” is settled on as the cause and there isn’t a settlement paid. Even talking about removing someone’s ability to seek remedy from the courts is an action that should be looked at with no small amount of suspicion.