Actually, I can’t argue this. It’s true, just probably not in the way Fox intended (I have no idea what they intended.)
Consider that if Mamdani holds up his promises, the old guard Democrats are going to look like the pathetic diet-Republicans that they are and always have been. If his electoral win sparks a wave farther left across the country, and the Overton Window shifts with it, then any Democrats that don’t adjust with the times will be outshined by more progressive candidates.
In that way, a “Democrat” win can result in many Democrats losing. But that’s a good thing, in my opinion.
This is exactly what the idealist types who chirp on about third parties and revolutions should actually want to see.
A slow invasion and replacement of old gaurd DNC members with new life.
Very unfortunately, its very difficult to deliver on the type of instant change people want to see on the federal level given the need for 3 brnaches of government and a super majority in the senate, but at bare minimum I hope this makes people who just don’t pay attention to politics realize that it turns out there isn’t actually a reason things can’t be better, and it turns out you can actually just tax rich people a little bit more to see a huuuuuge benefit to your everyday life.
No! Electoralism can never work! Iterative progress is literally impossible and harm reduction is a pointless goal! It’s actually bad when good things happen because that means people are less willing to burn everything down and accept beautiful Anarchy overnight!
I think about how we read history books and it’s all simple “X happened, then Y happened,” even if the events are years apart. It makes it feel like change happens quickly, because we’re taught about it in retrospect.
It’s frustrating how so many people today seem to think, “Well, a revolution hasn’t happened, so I guess it never will.” Are we that accustomed to immediate gratification that we can’t recognize that such large shifts take time? I see things slowly unfold and think, “How awesome that we’re moving in this direction!” But there are inevitably multiple downers complaining that it’s not happening fast enough.
You realize that revolution in my sentence was referring to a lot of people dying and your quality of life going to shit for years, potentially even decades right?
Its by no means a desirable concept to anyone with empathy or brains. You may not even come out on the winning side. In fact, the way it looks now the good people would lose almost immediately.
Are we that accustomed to immediate gratification that we can’t recognize that such large shifts take time? I see things slowly unfold and think, “How awesome that we’re moving in this direction!” But there are inevitably multiple downers complaining that it’s not happening fast enough.
Perhaps though, I am misunderstanding your comment (very possible) and you’re talking about the non violent, productive type of change that I was also referring to?
Perhaps though, I am misunderstanding your comment (very possible) and you’re talking about the non violent, productive type of change that I was also referring to?
Of course! Violence would suck, and I’d hope it’d be a last resort. We’re talking about changes using the “ballot box” here, not the “ammo box.”
this is why you need preferential voting, if the party that wins can see they won but on the 2nd, 3rd etc preference they can look at the party platforms that were preferred and then know where they need to go in the future to steer their platform and gain more first preferences
What you really want is proportional representation. This way you can just vote for exactly the party you want, and get exactly the representation amount proportional to the amount of people who voted for said party.
Some folding of the votes for parties too small to hold office could be reasonable, but I think a huge problem is any system that basically makes it impossible for anything other than 2 major parties to exist at a real player level.
I like the concept of the Overton Window (thanks for teaching it to me). However, I don’t think anything quite fits in any predictable threshold of acceptable ideas right now. Trump is such a black swan, it’s almost like we’re defining the window in real time… If things weren’t so horrible, it would be an exciting time to be alive.
I think the fact that people can easily find similarities to Trump’s bullshit in recently recorded history proves that he is not a black swan at all. Just run of the mill populist bullshit wrapped up in a fat orange package.
The fact that Americans thought " it could never happen here" is part of the problem.
The people are reshaping the democrat party. It’s slow, it’s in it’s infancy, but it is starting to happen. The bungie-cable on the Overton Window finally snapped and yanked the thing out of the garbage dump at the end of the scale, and people are dragging it back to a visible place and the establishment Dems are not happy about it. Because it means power structure and status-quo are no longer adequate and they are going to be out of the game.
This is why dems and Trump alike have unified to try to sabotage and invalidate Mamdani’s win, because a socialist becoming so popular sets a mandate. It flies in the face of narratives against socialism and true progressive populism. It sets a tone against big corporate money in politics, and it shows that grassroots community action can topple empires. A lot of polling institutions and old-guard half-baked pundits are slinking into the shadows right now after losing their ratings for predicting that New York and the country broadly were not going to elect anyone but Trump-loyal, authoritarian strongmen.
If you want any more proof of how Sir Mamdani and his band of knights have made the old Houses bend the knee, go watch Morning Joe and listen to Joe Fucking Scarborough praising Mamdani and socialism broadly. (Albiet tepidly, it’s still something I never thought I would see.)
they already succesfully colluded against BERNIE twice, and AOC to a lesser extent. the only reason they had AOc, is much like how the gop using mtg, and boebart as a lightning rod.
Actually, I can’t argue this. It’s true, just probably not in the way Fox intended (I have no idea what they intended.)
Consider that if Mamdani holds up his promises, the old guard Democrats are going to look like the pathetic diet-Republicans that they are and always have been. If his electoral win sparks a wave farther left across the country, and the Overton Window shifts with it, then any Democrats that don’t adjust with the times will be outshined by more progressive candidates.
In that way, a “Democrat” win can result in many Democrats losing. But that’s a good thing, in my opinion.
This is exactly what the idealist types who chirp on about third parties and revolutions should actually want to see.
A slow invasion and replacement of old gaurd DNC members with new life.
Very unfortunately, its very difficult to deliver on the type of instant change people want to see on the federal level given the need for 3 brnaches of government and a super majority in the senate, but at bare minimum I hope this makes people who just don’t pay attention to politics realize that it turns out there isn’t actually a reason things can’t be better, and it turns out you can actually just tax rich people a little bit more to see a huuuuuge benefit to your everyday life.
No! Electoralism can never work! Iterative progress is literally impossible and harm reduction is a pointless goal! It’s actually bad when good things happen because that means people are less willing to burn everything down and accept beautiful Anarchy overnight!
I think about how we read history books and it’s all simple “X happened, then Y happened,” even if the events are years apart. It makes it feel like change happens quickly, because we’re taught about it in retrospect.
It’s frustrating how so many people today seem to think, “Well, a revolution hasn’t happened, so I guess it never will.” Are we that accustomed to immediate gratification that we can’t recognize that such large shifts take time? I see things slowly unfold and think, “How awesome that we’re moving in this direction!” But there are inevitably multiple downers complaining that it’s not happening fast enough.
You realize that revolution in my sentence was referring to a lot of people dying and your quality of life going to shit for years, potentially even decades right?
Its by no means a desirable concept to anyone with empathy or brains. You may not even come out on the winning side. In fact, the way it looks now the good people would lose almost immediately.
Perhaps though, I am misunderstanding your comment (very possible) and you’re talking about the non violent, productive type of change that I was also referring to?
Of course! Violence would suck, and I’d hope it’d be a last resort. We’re talking about changes using the “ballot box” here, not the “ammo box.”
this is why you need preferential voting, if the party that wins can see they won but on the 2nd, 3rd etc preference they can look at the party platforms that were preferred and then know where they need to go in the future to steer their platform and gain more first preferences
That is how it works here in Australia
Preferential voting is absolutely not the way.
What you really want is proportional representation. This way you can just vote for exactly the party you want, and get exactly the representation amount proportional to the amount of people who voted for said party.
Some folding of the votes for parties too small to hold office could be reasonable, but I think a huge problem is any system that basically makes it impossible for anything other than 2 major parties to exist at a real player level.
I like the concept of the Overton Window (thanks for teaching it to me). However, I don’t think anything quite fits in any predictable threshold of acceptable ideas right now. Trump is such a black swan, it’s almost like we’re defining the window in real time… If things weren’t so horrible, it would be an exciting time to be alive.
I think the fact that people can easily find similarities to Trump’s bullshit in recently recorded history proves that he is not a black swan at all. Just run of the mill populist bullshit wrapped up in a fat orange package.
The fact that Americans thought " it could never happen here" is part of the problem.
It’s so nice to have people explain exactly what you’re thinking but can’t explain!
I love when that happens. :) I’m happy to help
Lemmy™, we’re happy to help.
The people are reshaping the democrat party. It’s slow, it’s in it’s infancy, but it is starting to happen. The bungie-cable on the Overton Window finally snapped and yanked the thing out of the garbage dump at the end of the scale, and people are dragging it back to a visible place and the establishment Dems are not happy about it. Because it means power structure and status-quo are no longer adequate and they are going to be out of the game.
This is why dems and Trump alike have unified to try to sabotage and invalidate Mamdani’s win, because a socialist becoming so popular sets a mandate. It flies in the face of narratives against socialism and true progressive populism. It sets a tone against big corporate money in politics, and it shows that grassroots community action can topple empires. A lot of polling institutions and old-guard half-baked pundits are slinking into the shadows right now after losing their ratings for predicting that New York and the country broadly were not going to elect anyone but Trump-loyal, authoritarian strongmen.
If you want any more proof of how Sir Mamdani and his band of knights have made the old Houses bend the knee, go watch Morning Joe and listen to Joe Fucking Scarborough praising Mamdani and socialism broadly. (Albiet tepidly, it’s still something I never thought I would see.)
they already succesfully colluded against BERNIE twice, and AOC to a lesser extent. the only reason they had AOc, is much like how the gop using mtg, and boebart as a lightning rod.
Democratic party.
Not to be that guy, but this one bothers me since “Democrat party” is purposely used by the right as a pejorative.