The problem with mass transit is that each person can’t go directly to the doorstep of each specific place they need to be. And they wouldn’t be able to haul a whole lot of stuff like a week’s worth of groceries & dog in a kennel on its way to/from veterinarian appt, & 5 children & lumber from Home Depot.
I keep seeing people bring this up but what really annoyed me is people think they need to do all that 100% of the time while in reality they do it like once a month or even a year, and the proceed to use that excuse to bring down any proposal of a mass transit. Mass transit is not there to solve everyone’s problem, it’s to solve the excessive use of car that given people 0 preference other than owning and using a car, and making city worst, and also affect the experience of people that do need to drive.
Honestly, in a denser city focused on transit and not cars, and without shit zoning laws, these aren’t really problems for most people.
You should have a supermarket, school and other essentials within walking distance of your home. Even the vet, hairdresser, etc. That’s what a human, livable city is like.
Mass transit can get you close enough. Walking 10-15 minutes to your destination is good for your health. Especially for seniors. We wouldn’t have such an obesity crisis if people got up and moved more. Humans are built for walking.
Who the heck is hauling lumber every day/week? It’s cheaper to rent a van/truck for the couple days a year than it is to own and maintain a car. I bet the lumber yard has a delivery service.
If you have 5 kids and need a car to take them places, great, cars still exist. If you have mobility issues, cars still exist. If you live in the countryside, cars still exist. But I think these cases should be exceptions to the rule. Most of those 50k people who are just commuting to work every day could be taking public transit and contributing to a more livable city.
Are you a moron? I have a car.
I go to work every day with a bike.
I take my children to daycare with my bike.
I go to large market with my car once a week.
I go to vet a once a year.
If i order large quantitys of anything building related i order it straigh to home.
You could have said all that without asking me if I’m a moron. What was the purpose of that?
I’m envious of your lifestyle. But my lifestyle is such that I am constantly traveling 2 hours North 2 hours south 6 hours East driving 70 mph every Which way, a bicycle would not get me to all the places I need to be, I would drop dead from exhaustion and weather exposure if I tried to bicycle to all the places I need to go. You are fortunate you have found your happy place and it’s all within bicycling distance.
But i havent found my happy place. I live in a city that has build so people can use bike as a commute.
We dont have massive suburban areas or megamalls that makes cars necessary. Also both pedesterian and public transportation has huge part in the citys layout.
Of course people in rural areas and people whose work necessitas driving to different locations are always going to need cars.
This would make sense if anyone was going to ban all cars, when generally the idea is to drastically scale then back for when they’re necessary while making less inefficient modes more useful and attractive.
Not everyone has such needs, city transport could basically get you anywhere, though yes, it’s slower.
Perhaps we could get some better car rental, and just end up reducing traffic (those buses still need roads). I mean in similar way to bikes and electric scooters, but add chargers throughout the city and do the same with EVs.
The problem with mass transit is that each person can’t go directly to the doorstep of each specific place they need to be. And they wouldn’t be able to haul a whole lot of stuff like a week’s worth of groceries & dog in a kennel on its way to/from veterinarian appt, & 5 children & lumber from Home Depot.
I keep seeing people bring this up but what really annoyed me is people think they need to do all that 100% of the time while in reality they do it like once a month or even a year, and the proceed to use that excuse to bring down any proposal of a mass transit. Mass transit is not there to solve everyone’s problem, it’s to solve the excessive use of car that given people 0 preference other than owning and using a car, and making city worst, and also affect the experience of people that do need to drive.
People who do that often don’t think far ahead.
Honestly, in a denser city focused on transit and not cars, and without shit zoning laws, these aren’t really problems for most people.
You should have a supermarket, school and other essentials within walking distance of your home. Even the vet, hairdresser, etc. That’s what a human, livable city is like.
Mass transit can get you close enough. Walking 10-15 minutes to your destination is good for your health. Especially for seniors. We wouldn’t have such an obesity crisis if people got up and moved more. Humans are built for walking.
Who the heck is hauling lumber every day/week? It’s cheaper to rent a van/truck for the couple days a year than it is to own and maintain a car. I bet the lumber yard has a delivery service.
If you have 5 kids and need a car to take them places, great, cars still exist. If you have mobility issues, cars still exist. If you live in the countryside, cars still exist. But I think these cases should be exceptions to the rule. Most of those 50k people who are just commuting to work every day could be taking public transit and contributing to a more livable city.
Are you a moron? I have a car. I go to work every day with a bike. I take my children to daycare with my bike.
I go to large market with my car once a week. I go to vet a once a year. If i order large quantitys of anything building related i order it straigh to home.
You could have said all that without asking me if I’m a moron. What was the purpose of that?
I’m envious of your lifestyle. But my lifestyle is such that I am constantly traveling 2 hours North 2 hours south 6 hours East driving 70 mph every Which way, a bicycle would not get me to all the places I need to be, I would drop dead from exhaustion and weather exposure if I tried to bicycle to all the places I need to go. You are fortunate you have found your happy place and it’s all within bicycling distance.
You are right. I had a bad day. Sorry.
But i havent found my happy place. I live in a city that has build so people can use bike as a commute.
We dont have massive suburban areas or megamalls that makes cars necessary. Also both pedesterian and public transportation has huge part in the citys layout.
Of course people in rural areas and people whose work necessitas driving to different locations are always going to need cars.
Yeah as someone that lives in a city with mass transit, you change your habits.
You shop two or three times week at somewhere in walking distance. You walk to the vet, and you order lumber online with next day delivery.
If I genuinely need a car, there’s one parked in the next street I can rent with an app.
On top of that parking here is a pain in the arse, and the average traffic speed is something like 7mph.
Before cars, people often just died because they couldn’t walk
Yeah I’m so glad walking was invented after cars started roaming the earth
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This would make sense if anyone was going to ban all cars, when generally the idea is to drastically scale then back for when they’re necessary while making less inefficient modes more useful and attractive.
Not everyone has such needs, city transport could basically get you anywhere, though yes, it’s slower.
Perhaps we could get some better car rental, and just end up reducing traffic (those buses still need roads). I mean in similar way to bikes and electric scooters, but add chargers throughout the city and do the same with EVs.
If you’ve ever tried to drive across London (UK)… it takes 1 hour to get across the city by tube. 2 hours by car. Transit isn’t always slow!
The new REM in Montreal can go highway speeds, too, and usually crosses the bridge faster than the cars especially during peak times.