We’re a small tight knit community. We see the same names everywhere. I’m sure many of you have been recognised by strangers before.
What is your claim to Lemmy fame.
(Question inspired by, https://lemmy.world/comment/19964547)
We’re a small tight knit community. We see the same names everywhere. I’m sure many of you have been recognised by strangers before.
What is your claim to Lemmy fame.
(Question inspired by, https://lemmy.world/comment/19964547)
it’s funny because I know them because for a while they were systematically reposting everything from lemmy.ml communities to drive traffic away from “the tankies”. the first impression was of a total asshole
I don’t have no issues with that. Even ignoring that argument I prefer communities on smaller instances.
Also remember you are the anarchist on .ml
Damn my memory is good.
for me the annoyance was that it was reposts from .ml to .world, not even uplifting smaller instances. just part of the personal crusade from people who are also drama farmers
hell yeah
You’re an anarchist that defends Leninists?
‘defending’ 🙄
it’s that I find there’s more common ground with them than with the centrist extremists who get so worked up about their existence.
Just yesterday I had one such person who started off calling me a tankie immediately pivot to ‘yeah well anarchism is bullshit too’
Where’s the common ground when anarchism is all about anti-authoritarianism?
Anarchism is anti-authoritarian, but that’s not really where it ends (to say it’s ‘all about that’ is a bit reductive). The point isn’t just to oppose authority, but to oppose hierarchy and domination. IE systems where authority becomes permanent, coercive, and self-justifying.
Anarchists aren’t going to oppose a doctor giving orders in the middle of surgery, or say that teachers have to get a vote from their class before being allowed to assign homework.
The problem is the structural authority where participation isn’t voluntary and the power can’t be revoked. This is why opposing the state, class society and capitalism is such a common refrain.
That’s why I said there’s common ground between marxists and anarchists. Both traditions start from the same diagnosis: the capitalist state is a machine of class domination. We both want to abolish exploitation and create a classless, stateless society. We can disagree about if some heirarchies can still be used temporarily for the purpose of liberation, however that’s a strategic debate with a shared revolutionary objective, not some huge moral divide.
At the end of the day, anarchists and marxists want the same thing: a society without without rulers, landlords, or bosses.
The disagreement is about how to get there, not about if people should be free at all.
That’s fine, if most of the controversy surrounding tankies on here (and elsewhere) was just about “what state they’re trying to build”, but that’s not the case. Tankies defend genocide regimes, make false claims about suppressing uprisings because they were “fascist backed”, downplay atrocities committed by Mao and Stalin, support imperialist occupations of Ukraine and Taiwan, defend human rights abuses committed by the DPRK, and much much more. This is what makes up the bulk of controversy on tankies on the fediverse and outside it. Do you support these as well?
I ask this because I’m aware of anarchist’s readiness to denounce failings of past anarchist revolutions. Anarchists are more honest with their takes and readily say, “yeah’ I don’t support that. We can do better”; tankies do not have the same attitude.
The biggest shit-stirrers on this front don’t tend to express issues with authoritarianism under capitalism. In fact they tend to be the first to browbeat people to fall in line with western narratives and express contempt at challenging the existing systems. I have no obligation to take them seriously.
The problem is that you’re using tankie now interchangeably with what was originally ‘leninist’ and the goalposts shifted for what they believe.
I can point to a recent thread where these ‘tankies’ are complaining about the fascists larping as communists on reddit ‘tankies’ are not a monolith and the site cultures are clearly different. Here’s a thread where ‘the tankies’ on hexbear are saying that the CPRF should all be shot for supporting the SMO, and that if Putin is praising you then you’re not a communist party.
Most marxists/leninists I’ve known in real life are pretty quick to concede the failures of previous socialist states, because having a critical understanding of history is integral to having a materialist worldview.
If people are just shouting slogans it’s a problem, obviously. However that door swings both ways: I find it’s more often the people complaining loudly about ‘tankies’ who are starting off with slogans and an uncritical reading of their own sides history.
I actually did prioritize smaller instances first in most cases, but you’ll be happy to know thanks to their utter failure of dealing with JL I have entirely ceased posting to .world comms and recreating ones I run into that have no off-world off-ml alternative. @[email protected] is retired
glad you’ve stopped posting to .world, at least we can agree on JL
Nah it was great, fuck the tankies for real - they’re total arseholes.