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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to Progressive Politics@lemmy.world · 4 days ago

How to throw away all your goodwill

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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to Progressive Politics@lemmy.world · 4 days ago
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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    We’re too obsessed with the cult of personality in this country. It’s very difficult to get anyone to turn on a candidate, once voters decided they like the person. People don’t like admitting they were wrong, so a candidate really has to do something extreme to lose support they’ve gained, and make anyone re-evaluate.

    Mamdani’s team knows this. Which is why he’s racing to compromise everything, hoping to add moderates to his base.

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      I’m glad to see the rapid speed at which more people are realizing Mamdani is a sellout though. It used to take months for people to accept that Kamala was an establishment sellout. A few Zionist Tweets from Mamdani and they know that he is a lost cause now.

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        Unfortunately for Mamdani, leftists are typically well-informed. But they made Mamdani support fashionable, and there’s no candidate further left than him, so I think they’re counting on him hanging onto enough of the original base.

        It’s a stupid move though, that’s cost many Democrats their election. And even if he wins, his policies will naturally have to be more centrist, because now he won’t have the energized base to support leftist governance.

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    Literally wtf are you mad about in the quoted tweet?

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      Zohran spouting Zionist propaganda.

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        I don’t see what bits are Zionist propaganda.

        That it’s good to see the last living Israeli hostages reunited with their families?

        Or that it’s good to see a respite from relentless bombarding?

        Both those sentiments (because that’s what they are: sentiments, not policies) are valid and not incompatible with an anti-apartheid/anti-genocide perspective.

        It’s obvious also that these two sentiments are not the sum total of Mamdani’s analysis.

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          Apparently saying Israeli “hostages” are being tortured (which they were not), and not calling Palestinians hostages is totally fine now because Zohran does it.

          If you can’t see how bad this is then good luck with Kamala 2.0

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            Yes they were, Israeli sources contain what released hostages themselves relayed and I see no reason why not to believe them, especially as you also hear humanizing stories such as some of them saying they were given accommodations for jewish prayer.

            To note also that the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Alice Jill Edwards has also spoken on the topic

            • https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/un-torture-expert-calls-immediate-release-israeli-hostages-after-meeting
            • https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/08/special-rapporteur-torture-warns-cruelty-becoming-enemy-peace-gaza-and-calls

            Then, the tweet (and again, you’re building a whole edifice out of a tweet!) is not structured as to compare Israeli and Palestinian prisoners/hostages/whatever-you-call-them. It one the one hand talks about Israeli hostages and on the other Palestinians as a whole not being bombed, with the freeing from detention being a secondary topic to, you know, bombs not falling.

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              Wow quoting Zionists now are you https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6439/How-did-the-UN-Special-Rapporteur-on-Torture,-Alice-Jill-Edwards,-demonstrate-bias-and-double-standards-against-Palestinian-victims?

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                You have a problem with nuance it seems.

                That doesn’t discount torture allegations.

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                  No this does https://lemmy.ml/post/37614139.

                  You’re also selectively ignoring Zohran not mention the actual proven torture of Palestinians of which there is footage.

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    I don’t know who zei_squirrel is but every time I see his pfp I immediately discount the whole discussion

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      I don’t know who [email protected] is but every time I see his pfp I immediately discount the whole discussion

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        This whole thread has been discounted. Buy the dip!

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        fuckin gottem

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