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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to Progressive Politics@lemmy.world · 5 days ago

How to throw away all your goodwill

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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to Progressive Politics@lemmy.world · 5 days ago
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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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    Zohran spouting Zionist propaganda.

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      I don’t see what bits are Zionist propaganda.

      That it’s good to see the last living Israeli hostages reunited with their families?

      Or that it’s good to see a respite from relentless bombarding?

      Both those sentiments (because that’s what they are: sentiments, not policies) are valid and not incompatible with an anti-apartheid/anti-genocide perspective.

      It’s obvious also that these two sentiments are not the sum total of Mamdani’s analysis.

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        Apparently saying Israeli “hostages” are being tortured (which they were not), and not calling Palestinians hostages is totally fine now because Zohran does it.

        If you can’t see how bad this is then good luck with Kamala 2.0

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          Yes they were, Israeli sources contain what released hostages themselves relayed and I see no reason why not to believe them, especially as you also hear humanizing stories such as some of them saying they were given accommodations for jewish prayer.

          To note also that the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Alice Jill Edwards has also spoken on the topic

          • https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/un-torture-expert-calls-immediate-release-israeli-hostages-after-meeting
          • https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/08/special-rapporteur-torture-warns-cruelty-becoming-enemy-peace-gaza-and-calls

          Then, the tweet (and again, you’re building a whole edifice out of a tweet!) is not structured as to compare Israeli and Palestinian prisoners/hostages/whatever-you-call-them. It one the one hand talks about Israeli hostages and on the other Palestinians as a whole not being bombed, with the freeing from detention being a secondary topic to, you know, bombs not falling.

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            Wow quoting Zionists now are you https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6439/How-did-the-UN-Special-Rapporteur-on-Torture,-Alice-Jill-Edwards,-demonstrate-bias-and-double-standards-against-Palestinian-victims?

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              You have a problem with nuance it seems.

              That doesn’t discount torture allegations.

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                No this does https://lemmy.ml/post/37614139.

                You’re also selectively ignoring Zohran not mention the actual proven torture of Palestinians of which there is footage.

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                  Look up.

                  Yes they were, Israeli sources contain what released hostages themselves relayed and I see no reason why not to believe them, especially as you also hear humanizing stories such as some of them saying they were given accommodations for jewish prayer.

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                    The story claims they were mistreated when they were taken into captivity not tortured during captivity.

                    Also please supply evidence not statements from known Israeli liars who change their stories after 20 days because they were treated too well.

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