I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn’t people choosing to vote third party or abstain because “both parties bad”. It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
MLK Jr once said it wasn’t the KKK holding progress back, but the white moderate. In this day and age, moderate democrats/center are the absolute definition of what MLK was warning us about.
MLK Jr doesn’t exactly have his finger on the pulse of modern politics but I’m sure he’d slap anyone who decided to not vote or vote for Trump in the last election.
Maybe the Democrats should have stopped running such terrible centrist candidates in pursuit of Republican voters. Idk why tou are blaming leftists instead of the millions of disillusioned voters who see both oarties as nothing more than tools for the billionaires.
Well, that’s clearly not the electoral environment we live in.
If you want to win office, you do actually have to communicate a positive idea of the future. Obama didn’t win by saying, “I’m gonna continue basically all of George W. Bush’s policies”. Even though that’s what he actually did, he still had to campaign on something a little more marketable than, “I’m not the other guy”.
Idk what to tell you if you are just now realizing that voters are uninformed. People hate politics. And people know that their quality of life has been deteriorating rapidly for the past 5 years. Democrats said that they weren’t going to change anything, Trump said he was going to change EVERYTHING. That same dynamic is happening all across the world right now, and liberals refuse to realize that no one is buying what they are selling.
“vote for us, we aren’t outright fascists” is clearly not a winning strategy, but liberals continue to use the same playbook. Just look at Keir Starmer and Macron and tell me that this is a purely American problem.
The quality of life has been declining since 2016 but it had a brief uptick for a couple years in 2021.
I’m not holding my breath for the progressives to put their dick away and form a party or put candidates up so I’ll keep backing the non-GOP party that has a chance.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
People who voted for Biden in 2020, but refrained from voting Harris in 2024, overwhelmingly named left-purist reasons, and numbered in the millions
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn’t people choosing to vote third party or abstain because “both parties bad”. It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
What you just said doesn’t follow from the point octopus_ink was making.
Why not?
Every protest voter and non voter contributed to the reality we’re currently living in.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
Between the protest voters and non voters we’re past eighty million.
Are you claiming that twenty five percent of the potential voters are meaningless?
MLK Jr once said it wasn’t the KKK holding progress back, but the white moderate. In this day and age, moderate democrats/center are the absolute definition of what MLK was warning us about.
MLK Jr. is speaking about people who claim to be allies but insist on doing nothing and rebuking the Civil Rights movement at every turn.
Which today are moderates and fake progressives/democrats. The players changed as the game remained the same
MLK Jr doesn’t exactly have his finger on the pulse of modern politics but I’m sure he’d slap anyone who decided to not vote or vote for Trump in the last election.
Maybe the Democrats should have stopped running such terrible centrist candidates in pursuit of Republican voters. Idk why tou are blaming leftists instead of the millions of disillusioned voters who see both oarties as nothing more than tools for the billionaires.
Both sidesing this is the laziest of arguments.
The democrats should have been able to run a half empty can of rotten crab juice against Trump and win.
Instead I’m here questioning the average intelligence of voting age Americans and wondering how long the education system has been failing us.
Well, that’s clearly not the electoral environment we live in.
If you want to win office, you do actually have to communicate a positive idea of the future. Obama didn’t win by saying, “I’m gonna continue basically all of George W. Bush’s policies”. Even though that’s what he actually did, he still had to campaign on something a little more marketable than, “I’m not the other guy”.
Idk what to tell you if you are just now realizing that voters are uninformed. People hate politics. And people know that their quality of life has been deteriorating rapidly for the past 5 years. Democrats said that they weren’t going to change anything, Trump said he was going to change EVERYTHING. That same dynamic is happening all across the world right now, and liberals refuse to realize that no one is buying what they are selling.
“vote for us, we aren’t outright fascists” is clearly not a winning strategy, but liberals continue to use the same playbook. Just look at Keir Starmer and Macron and tell me that this is a purely American problem.
The quality of life has been declining since 2016 but it had a brief uptick for a couple years in 2021.
I’m not holding my breath for the progressives to put their dick away and form a party or put candidates up so I’ll keep backing the non-GOP party that has a chance.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
Yeah.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
Pretty much