Yeah this seems nice symbolically as a, you’re not welcome in new york city thing, but practically a train wreck waiting to happen that is ultimately very unlikely to end up looking good for Mamdani if his bluff is called.
So Trump and Netanyahu are definitely going to call his bluff. He needs to prepare for how that will play out. So do we.
Mamdani has to get elected first, once that’s achieved he can worry about such trivialities as reality.
He’s been the presumptive winner since his primary win. What data have you seen to suggest otherwise?
I haven’t seen any data. What I’m suggesting is that before being elected it’s pretty easy to throw around promises. Especially if said promises are controversial and aimed at riling up your voter base. Of course if you’re an orange taco you can apparently throw around whatever whenever, but I digress.
I want to see Netanyahu extradited to the Hague as much as the next person, but talk is cheap and the real world consequences can be dire.
We could make it a celebration! I’d love to see that war criminal be held accountable!
An american that wants to follow international law? What doofus…
He should order every ICE agent be stopped and immediately identify themselves. Even if an agent was identified 5 minutes ago, if the mask goes up start the whole process over again
He should take a swim in a nuclear reactor and then arrange to be bitten by a Goliath beetle so that he inherits the beetle’s armor, strength, and relative size, so that he is the world’s only half beetle half human, 500ft tall mayor. Then he should legally change his name to the Chewnifax and go do some fucking justice.
I mean, that’s cool and all, but the N.Y. Times latching on to stuff like that makes it easier for them to try to smear him as a “radical Muslim antisemite” or whatever and bury stories about his economic populism. When push comes to shove, it’s the latter that working-class New Yorkers care about and that would get him elected.
I don’t think he’s wrong to take that position re: Netanyahu, but I think it’s possibly a tactical error to let the media bait him into focusing on it instead of hammering on the economic message.
On the other hand, this has been a tactic of the right, and it’s somewhat successful: Keep showing new avenues of attack, and you put your adversaries constantly on the defensive.
What’s sad is, many voters don’t care about the merits of an issue; just the optics of power and assertion. Person X is on the defensive, criticizing a bold statement and thinking they should walk back on it, Person Y is already spouting a new message.
He doesn’t even need to focus on it, he just need to tangentially allude to it and suddenly a bunch of these hack rags will end up treating it like its the capstone of his policy agenda.
All the more reason to STFU about it now, and then just do it once he’s in office if the opportunity presents itself.
Speaking of which, telegraphing that visiting NYC would be a bad idea for Netanyahu under Mamdani’s leadership is also exactly the opposite of what he should do.
That’s clearly the NYTs intent in writing this article.
Do you think New Yorkers will buy the “radical Muslim antisemite” line?
They already haven’t. They’re smarter than average red state Americans.
Nah. No group’s smarter than any other group on average.
The difference is they actually know those people irl instead of only seeing them in propaganda films and on Fox.
No group’s smarter than any other group on average.
Huh? This makes no sense, of course there are groups that are smarter than other groups on average.
Are doctors not smarter than truck drivers, on average?
NYC is pretty highly educated compared to other cities, particularly cities in red states.
Smear? Fuck that makes me want to vote for him more.
Perhaps, but I think his message from the debate was better: The job is to be mayor of a city, there’s no reason the office should have anything at all to do with foreign affairs so long as those affairs stay out of the city.
Like personally I appreciate calling out the atrocity, but it isn’t the job of the mayor to be neck deep in that either way.
I think limiting the purview of the mayor should be left to the mayor. If he wants to make his position clear on this he has every right to do that. And maybe some call that spending political capitol for nothing, I say it inspires my support.
I’d say as a person, he can express his thoughts. For him to personally condemn the events is good. For him to say that if the federal government were reasonable, Netanyahu should be arrested.
I think declaring that he would try to use his authority as mayor to pull the NYPD into it against the will of the federal government is a bit more tricky. During a debate when every single last other person pandered to Israel he made the solid point that a Mayor’s job is to tend to his city, not foreign affairs. This sort of undermines that point. Admittedly, technically he still would only get involved if Netanyahu came to NYC, but by declaring this so publicly it has had the effect of provoking Netanyahu, who seemed to be inclined to test Mamdani’s words by defiantly coming to NYC with Trump if Mamdani were elected.
The antisemitism accusstions no longer works we all see the genocide live
The majority of NYC residents would like to see Netanyahu get fucked last I checked. Anti-Israel stuff is immensely popular among democrats in general.
I think it’s a tactical error to let the right-wing fascists dictate your policies before there’s even a chance they get enacted.
It’s a bad position to take. Not because it’s the wrong thing to do. Netanyahu is undeniably a war criminal and should face justice. It’s a bad position because only the federal government should be making foreign relations decisions. NYC can and should make itself a very uncomfortable place for Netanyahu but actually arresting him is something that the FBI should do. From that standpoint this isn’t different from Texas putting the barriers in the Rio Grande. SCOTUS should have smacked them down hard for that because it usurps authority that the Constitution gives exclusively to the federal government. Of course, the court didn’t smack Texas down on that and it was objectively wrong both constitutionally and morally so maybe the constitution and the rule of law in general don’t really apply anymore.
BALLZ
Good.
The balls on this guy
Interesting, but given that America isn’t party to the ICC I wonder what legal reason he could provide for this.
The genocide convention
Perhaps, but there’s the challenge of who gets to declare genocide formally. A city mayor no matter how large probably shouldn’t be able to unilaterally do so when no authority recognized by his nation does so.
I agree Netanyahu should be arrested, but I just don’t think a city mayor can reasonably unilaterally do so. Certainly from a practical standpoint it’s a nightmare if your own federal government will be at odds over the arrest of a foreign leader.
Yeah. I didn’t mean that Mamdani will be able to do it just saying that the genocide convention is a valid legal reason for Netenyahu to be arrested
The Geneva convention does not authorize arrests of individuals. That’s what the ICC is for, but the US does not recognize the ICC.
The genocide convention require the countries to do all within their power to stop the genocide. What’s more impactful than arresting thr current genocide enabler
No, it doesn’t. Countries have no legal obligation to stop something happening outside their borders.
Imagine being so confident, yet incorrect.
You could have taken 2 minutes to look up “genocide convention” to find out that it’s not the Geneva Convention.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. The genocide convention (not the geneva convention) that the US signed legally obliges them to act regardless of where the genocide is happening. Your logic is ridiculous because it would mean that any country only has an obligation to stop genocide if it occurs within their own borders.
They do. But they ignore the genocide convention.
It actually makes sense as hasn’t Netanyahu been in New York City several times since October 7th? He’s not welcome there and would be arrested by the NYPD.
The nypd would treat him like royalty and hand him to the feds to Spirit him out of there. NYPD are fucking Nazis. Maybe not all of the rank and file but the leadership. I forget if there are like 40, 60,000 of them. They’re bigger than a lot of countries’ armies.
If Mamdani wins, they’ll probably do some lame performative bullshit like turn their backs to him during his inauguration…
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nypd-officers-again-turn-backs-on-mayor-de-blasio-at-cops-funeral/
make sure to vote new yorkers
Fuck yes. We’ve let our colony go rogue and it’s time to arrest the governor and bring him to justice.
Kathy Hochul?
I love how people still think the NYT has any credibility. They are shaping the narratives that are driving us into fascism. ALL MEDIA IS LIES. Trust what you see in front of you, organize locally and when you do, don’t use your cell phones!
But also, if Mamdani really said this, it’s like come on man; don’t make it any harder on yourself, NYC is 10% Jewish, we have more Jews than Jerusalem!
Fuck Bibi with a broken bottle, but wait till after November to announce you want to do it
Edit, corrected data
Eh. Shit like this is just political wordplay.
No one has ever been a nation leader and arrested in another country on charges before. Except for WW2 in the aftermath.No one has ever been a nation leader and arrested in another country on charges before
No Ugandan-born Muslim anti-zionist Democratic Socialist has ever been mayor of New York before either. A lack of precedent doesn’t make either impossible no matter how many people used to think so.
After leaders have, what is his name from the Philippines duterte.
When it happens I’ll change my words.
You’ll change your stance that it can’t happen because it has never happened when it has happened?
How brave! 🙄
Why do you think I’m trying to be brave? I’m simply saying if it happens I’ll acknowledge it Why is that a bad thing for you?
My criticism was of you equating “hasn’t happened” with “can’t happen”.
“Admitting” that you were wrong after the fact is useless in that context and insisting on your fallacy until then is WORSE than useless.
So you’re just being an asshole. Got it.
They weren’t though…?
So you’re just being an asshole
Nope, that’s you. I’m the one pointing it out.
It’s about the implications. Your response comes across as condescending.
To the less experienced, i guess it could.
It won’t happen but I could prevent him from setting foot there, which would be nice.
The fact that the leaders in question knows damn well which countries they will be arrested in probably have something to do with it. If Netanyahu is told he will be arrested if he comes to NY there’s a really good chance that he will not come to NY.
He’s already responded to this and said he’d come to NY with Trump.
Eh I’ll believe it when i see it.
Are you seeing many people traveling to places where they have known arrest orders on them?
Considering that Netenyahu became so cocky because the whole world besides the houthis lwt him to anything he want he will probably go there
Are you seeing any national leader ever arrested overseas?
No, because the point is to tell them they’re not welcome. Not being able to go to meetings in the UN in NY would be a big embarrassment for Israel or any other nation.
So if he doesn’t show up, or he does and he’s not arrested, and you’ll still point at me as wrong somehow. Cuz it doesn’t fit your tidy world view.
I disagree that barring a world leader from entering your jurisdiction is just political word play as you put it. I’m not sorry at all if that does not fit your world view.
