Allegations of sexual crimes should always be taken seriously and addressed immediately, however, that’s not the same as taking the words of the victims words as the truth. A due process has to be mandatory and proof must remain a non negotiable requirement to arrest and punish someone. That’s the one and only way justice can be served.
That is a different topic. Conviction is not belief. Don’t be sneaky, please.
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here’s the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he’s building ‘legal dream team’ to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/
Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs
—————————other Trump information:
Here’s trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
Trump’s promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump’s modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
• Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/
Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.
Because people lie. What we can do is to not victim shame so women would be less afraid to come forward. This alone would help deter a would be attacker
Agreed.
It would also help out men and boys to have a safe environment to come forward with their claims without facing abuse from society/police.
You can’t just convict someone on vibes
No you can’t. You can however refuse to give them a job because they keep making inappropriate remarks about women and multiple women have accused them of sexual abuse, rape and harassment.
EXACTLY. You don’t need to “trust”, you can look at the comments that were consistently made in regards to women, the vile behavior he engaged in, the known relationships, and the week court cases, i.e the evidence that was there in plain sight but people chose to ignore
Fortunately pretty much everyone agrees
It’s not called “vibes”, it’s called “witness testimony” and every country on earth totally does convict people based on that
There was just a high profile case involving 5 NHL players that went on for years with no actual proof of a rape happening because a claim was taken seriously. They were found not guilty because in Canada the Crown has to prove a crime actually happened you don’t just trust someone without proof. People are claiming they probably did it, and let’s be clear they probably did, but we don’t convict people for probably doing something.
(Insert someone finding an example of a clearly innocent person being convicted to claim it’s the norm)
Why can’t we just rely on common sense instead of jumping to massive generalizations regarding someones gender?
Trump has been covered in red flags regarding his treatment of women for years. E. Jean Carroll? Stormy Daniels? Katie Johnson? The Hollywood Access Tape?
I’m a little anxious that if Me Too blows up again it may have the opposite effect intended, and instead deflect attention away from Trump as people argue over the movement itself.
I’ve heard some people call this the ‘him too’ movement. It’s supposed to encapsulate the idea that right now we’re seeing white men pushback against the ‘Me Too’, BLM, and ‘Trans rights are human rights’ movements.
Yep more for us doesn’t mean less for them. It’s not a pie!
Trust but verify.
We all know. The rest is theatre.
This!
I think people do.believe them, it’s just the way justice systems work. It has to be proved without shadow of a doubt.
To give a serious answer you are right. Its not what you its what you can prove.
Justice systems? Where? What woukd that even look like?
I am all for seeing trump and anyone else in that list behind bars, but this kind of bullshit thinking goes nowhere.
At least 26 separate women have accused Trump of SA over the course of the last 50 years, many of them before he entered politics. One of them even got a civil court to find as fact that he committed rape.
Just how many witnesses do you need here? Would another 26 be enough? How about a thousand?
how is it bullshit please explain…
I’d assume it the bulshit is based on a different interpretation of the word “believe”. Some people mean “don’t need proof”, which is bulshit. Some people mean " investigate as if you thought it were true", which is not bulshit.
I dont think it’s going to be a “list” like a nice spreadsheet itemising various white guys liaisons with under-age women including names, dates of birth, and witness details.
Whatever is released, if anything, is going to be ambiguous and you’re going to need to weigh the information and its source.
This meme is challenging people who would generally line up behind the conservatives to consider other sources of information.
I mean, if anyone without Trump’s money and influence had this many accusations leveled against them, you can be pretty sure they’d be behind bars by now. It’s not that the women aren’t being trusted, it’s that the entire fucking system is broken. Or more accurately, is designed to serve the rich and powerful.
We believe them, we just need to prove it.
People believe in magic sky daddy, im still waiting for proof there too. To be clear, if proof appears im obeying sky daddy so hard.
It’s not just about trump tho and it’s about concrete evidence. The list is yk about getting a list of all the perpetrators.
First hand witness testimony is evidence though.
And fwiw we’ve already got it. Not to mention he’s already been found guilty of rape in a court of law if we want to go through the whole “sexual assault means rape and the judge said so” thing. “He’s a rapist” is a statement of fact, even if the cowards at ABC News don’t want to say so again.
Well, yes but it’s not just about trump tho. Like the point of the list would be to get more names of more people. And that’s not even mentioning how most of the epstein list stuff was less about holding pedophiles responsible but about trump building and profiting off of a conspiracy narrative.
Nobody who matters (Trumps fanbase, Trumps voters, Trumps politicans and Trumps supreme court) care whether he’s guilty or convicted.
But the Epstein list is something very central to the Trump campagin narrative and thus if he’s on there, that could cause major issues between Trump and his fanbase/voters.
I just want to take a moment to apologize to women for all the bullshit you’ve had to endure, like being treated as interchangeable, objectified, talked down to. None of that is okay, and no one deserves it.
Apology not accepted. If you personally never did any of the above, then an apology is not needed. Nor is it fair to ask of men to apologize on behalf of other men who did. Women don’t want apologies from men who aren’t at fault. They just want men to stand up for them.
I get the sentiment, but wording matters because this is the kind of rhetoric the manosphere loves to take out of context to claim that men have to apologize for just being men.
That’s a fair sentiment individually, but it’s not just an individual problem.
Men don’t just need to be not part of the problem, they need to actively be part of the solution.
I agree that men should actively be part of the solution, but there is a healthy way of doing it without involving guilt and self-depracation.
Men’s mental health is a critical part of feminism. This is because when men’s issues are accepted and destigmatized, it helps destigmatize it for women too. Encouraging mental health support among men means reducing women’s role in providing emotional labor.
Sadly your view is not the norm.
It is. And no, I’m not one of the good ones.
Women are tired of ‘man guilt’ the same way PoC are tired of white guilt. At best, it’s self-depracating. At worse, it’s performative. Women want empathy and to be heard, not to hear an empty gesture that then gets weaponized by anti-feminists.
In Vietnamese there’s no phrase for “thank you.”* It’s more important to have a thankful attitude. I think we could take a lesson on the situation you’re talking about there.
* They use the literal words “thank you”, or it’s equivalent, for visitors, but that’s different.
What a hero. Line up, ladies, we got an ally over here
Would be cool if i could smile or show kindness around men without tge near certainty that ill be treated like a piece of meat.
Instead i need to take joy in denying them that.
Would you accept an apology from someone who has hit you in the face and is going to hit you again?
Make it stop first.
Why would someone who has never hit you in the face need to apologize?
We do not control others actions.
That’s why we can’t apologize for them. Rachelhazideas @lemmy.world’s comment says it better.
Fair point. Accountability > performance. I’ll sit with that.
