So the USA is turning into a fascist military dictatorship because of capitalism and misinformation campaigns swaying voters etc. etc. How do you (as a USian or not) view what is going to happen in the immediate-to-near future regarding civil liberties & disobedience, especially the current secret police and/or ICE (just getting a big, beautiful budget increase to unbeforeseen heights); and also thinking civil war and outside intervention?
For me, the current situation seems hopeless for the state. The bipartisan system is in its core a laughable excuse for an actual functioning democracy (then again are there any real democracies in the capitalist world?), as both parties are controlled by the same organizations and lobbyists, with governmental administration occasionally changing hands from one to the other only to unmake what little “progress” the currently “progressives” had made last time they were in the administration, forming but a pittance of what the people actually want. But the current administration seems to be too much akin to the Italian fascists or the German NSDAP of yore, and its attempts to control all media too see-through for some, who mostly seem to be in the bluer (richer and thus more better off) states. I think this stark divide between the population will be the force that rips the nation apart, as most people in the bluer more progressive states probably aren’t as big on the secret police appearing unmarked and unannounced and armed, ready to take people away to concentration camps in undisclosed places in foreign nations in unmarked vans as the people of the redder and more conservative states seem to be.
So the question becomes how will the people react? Civil disobedience probably sounds nice right up until they start gunning those disobeying down, and deploying the National Guard and Marines against them (which I think might be unconstitutional there? not sure though because it happened already). The US Armed Forces apparently have 1.3 million active members (without a draft mind you) and even though there are people in this group who aren’t as morally bankrupt as the administration is atm, I think they’d still have enough members positioned around the world in enough places that there isn’t a single force in the world to oppose it willingly and easily. I bring this up because if (or when) push comes to shove and the civil disobedience in the blue states becomes too much for DJ Dump and his christofascist capitalism buddies, and they start driving their military might against their own people with increasing force, who will be there to come in to save the (non-militant minded) people? I think the US administration would consider this a declaration of war, and respond to it as such. So as I see it the US is on a surefire highway to the danger zone to Civil War part II: Electric Boogaloo, and in the end will either rip itself apart or pull the entirety of the western (NATO) countries to war with it. So thank god my country just got in! Wouldn’t wanna miss this one, boys!
Anyway post your prophecies on the manifesting destiny of the US below, we’ll eventually see who got it right.
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I got out but I’m still terrified for my friends and family, they’re all targets. I call my dad daily to make sure the SS hasn’t snatched him even though he’s a citizen.
I’m afraid there’s only one way out of this, and it involves that pesky second amendment. Civil disobedience doesn’t do shit against fascists with paramilitaries bigger than other countries’ armed forces. I also fear that if Americans don’t do anything about it sooner rather than later, the US will force itself onto other countries militarily.
The USA has been a fascist dictatorship for some time depending on who you are, the fascism just wasn’t evenly distributed: immigrants, prisoners and brown people got the brunt of it before, now it’s coming for the rest. Luckily, between that and the external resistance struggles throughout the world, there are many people who know how to resist this, who have been resisting it for decades and can teach us.
I think the big issue for Trump right now is the military. If you read between the lines of January 6, the military purposefully skipped the chain of command in allowing for the deployment of national guard troops. I wouldn’t be surprised if the military cut the President out of the chain of command at that time, especially as they got every former Secretary of Defense to defend their actions post instruction.
Trump and Hegseth have been trying a lot of carrot and stick incentives to get the military on board, but the recent Trump Birthday parade shows that there is still a deep disdain on serving Trump. You also have a lot of military strategists who likely see the writing on the wall regarding supporting Trump; Trump can’t give the military anything close to what the military already has.
Trump can clear out the civilian government, but the military is a lot harder to crack.
What about the military parade shows disdain? Doesn’t it happening at all show support?
They had to follow orders, but they did it in the minimal way possible.
They made sure the military looked like crap on parade. A lot of units weren’t in dress uniform and the marching was noted as sloppy where it looked on purpose.
Very little modern military equipment was used. That the US Army pulled out a Sherman tank shows what the military wanted to show off.
Also, over loudspeaker, they played Fortunate Son, which is an anti war song about how the rich don’t have to go to war but the poor do. That is not a song I would expect to hear at a military parade.
This was not a parade where the US military was showing off.
They made sure the military looked like crap on parade. A lot of units weren’t in dress uniform and the marching was noted as sloppy where it looked on purpose.
I was actually really impressed with how they pulled that off. When you get really, really skilled at something, it becomes more and more difficult to intentionally perform terribly at it.
Looking like trash when they are, in reality, the complete 180° opposite of trash, was in itself an incredible display of skill lol
i bet this is why ice is one of the largest police forces in the world now.
Yeah. Trump can buy off police departments by giving them carte blanche over their personal conduct.
Oh damn, that’s very interesting to hear. I avoided watching it so thanks for taking one for the team and reporting back.
Thank you for pointing this out. I’ve been seeing shit posts from Russians and Chinese about how sloppy our military can look. No, they can march and they can dress up. And have you seen the Marines’ silent drill team? Talk about precision man.
Oh God, I checked and I’m so glad the trans ban didn’t make it to the final budget. I was so worried about that.
That means, at least, it’s going to be a few more years before they try to ban trans people from existing.
There’s 3 more years left. We’re still in Year 1 of this fiasco. Give them time, it will come back on the table to be executed one day or another.
Not quite yet, though I wouldn’t wait on leaving the country if I were there and of any personae non gratae
It’s a great dream, leaving. I’m not rich enough to make that happen, though. Maybe once things get worse, I can become a refugee- but, it’s more likely that I’ll cling to life here until it’s impossible to continue.
Communist organizing is increasing more rapidly than ever before, with the exception of the CPUSA back when it wasn’t revisionist and had genuine backing from the USSR. I don’t see a civil war, unlike the US civil war there aren’t two competing forms of labor and production (agrarian slave owners vs industrialist bourgeoisie). I do see the US Empire collapsing, hopefully via internal revolution during crisis but it may be that the US realizes that trying to re-industrialize under capitalism while depending on the financial profits of imperialism isn’t going to work, and instead takes on a more state capitalist economy like South Korea to force re-industrialization while maintaining bourgeois control.
I don’t think the latter would work, either, mind you. The US is thoroughly subservient to imperialist financial capital, it has all of the control. Re-industrializing can’t work when Chinese commodities are so much easier and cheaper to produce thanks to its advanced industrialization, the US would need to go into hyper-tariff, state planning mode and that would go directly against its current hegemonic position as a debtor country flooding the world with US dollars.
Honestly, I don’t know. Decay is the only thing I can really see as nearly certain. I do think we are approaching the weeks where decades happen, as Lenin put it.
Yes, capitalism can only serve the capitalists, and maintain a (highly relative) peaceful environment (not counting the subjugated peoples and areas in the global south atm) in only the most auspicious of times. And even then the system will inevitably shit itself and die every few years or so and must be resurrected by national intervention using said nation’s taxpayers’ (=working class) money. So the system is fundamentally flawed, which has never and will never “work” insofar as the working class is regarded.
Indeed the US is in quite dire straits, having replaced its national industrial capacity for outsourcing to countries with cheap labor, and also positioning the US dollar as the world currency, thus having the leverage to force dissenting nations to either go bankrupt or accept its imperialism. Now there is no industrial capacity in the US and its populace (completely understandably) not wanting to do two or three full-time jobs just to afford housing and groceries, neverminding everything else you need to live in there (like health insurance, so you best hope you don’t get sick ever), just to bring the industrial capacity back at minimum wage. And now the administration is driving out the only ones willing to do the manual labor at minimum wage, the immigrants; while being willfully ignorant to the fact that the entire nation’s history is that of immigrants, as most of the natives died on the Trail of Tears or were otherwise killed off and cordoned to reservations.
It seems that there are only bad tidings afoot for the USian worker, having also been brainwashed since birth into the impossibility of communism. Doom and gloom.
I don’t actually agree with the theory of brainwashing, it’s closer that imperialism and settler-colonialism contributed to a largely reactionary working class. However, now that conditions are deteriorating, the working class is still becoming more radicalized.
… the working class is still becoming more radicalized.
you mentioned this earlier (and dose of optimism of warranted here); what evidence are you seeing for this?
Among other things, comrades in PSL reporting record growth, Mamdani winning ovet Cuomo, and a shift from a ~14 point favor to “Israel” among democrat voters in 2017 to ~57 point favor to Palestine in 2025. The rate of growth is high, even if the numbers aren’t yet.
I’m just gonna wear a mask and tactical gear from now on. Call everybody “brother” and drink American beer. Wait out the next 3.5 years.
AIN’T THAT RIGHT, BROTHER rips off shirt
But yeah, sounds like a valid plan. That is if you believe things will ever change by voting, or that Trump & Goons LLC will be ready to release their power come 2028. A fool’s hope, certainly, but a hope nonetheless.
At this point I’m ready to consider an ICE military coup
As if the democratic process of election itself hadn’t been compromised years ago in more than obvious ways, lol. Well, I’m lol’ing about it but it’s all very sad and frustrating.
You know the quote: “You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.”
Same thing applies to politics. They’re doing illegal things that people didn’t vote for. There’s no way this can be fixed by voting when they don’t respect anything anyway.
States need to secede and form a different government.
Did they really not vote for it? I feel like right-wing people might actually want this sort of inhumane mass expulsion.
I refuse to believe that a majority of Americans are fascists.
Things would look very different if they had a democracy.
What they need is a democratic election, without gerrymandering, without voter suppression, done on paper ballots with a pencil, on a holiday, with all ballots counted and checked.
Do you count on your local leaders to be more morally upright and benevolent than your federal ones? Are the people in your state on average of better character and understanding of the world than the Americans that pushed for the country to be where it is today? And how would military resources be divided??? I feel like those are important questions, else you’ll just go from BIG AMERICA to many mini American warring states, all ideologically and morally compromised.
Only next step is to protest in front of these billionaires houses 24/7. Making their lives as hell ish as possible.
No one can say you didn’t see this coming, no one can say the USA hasn’t been declining at a free fall pace in all things positive for the people as opposed to corporations and billionaires. No one can say they didn’t know exactly the playbook this administration was going to run, it’s been online for ages. No one can save you except yourselves, and it doesn’t look like you have the stomach for this fight unfortunately.
I think it’ll just keep sinking for a long time. The US has been hell for a very long time. It’s just gotten worse.
It’s illegal to revolt against the state, and it’s illegal for individual states to seek independence. And that’s for the nation with the strongest armed forces in the world.
I predict a slow, boring descent into a corporatist dystopia.
You best start believing in corporate dystopia stories, Ms. Turner… You’re in one!
