the mistake is listening to MSM which are captured by conservative owners.
It’s pretty important to watch your opponents if you are a politically engaged person
So if I understand this angle, boomers screwed things up on their own but newer gens have just been duped by mainstream media. Ok got it!
There’s more truth to this than there was to the wmds thing, we know Iran has enriched uranium up to 65% which is way more than you need for nuclesr power and only a bit short of the threshold for bombs.
But it’s also entirely Trump and Israels fault in the first place, Iran were complying with Obamas nuclear deal then Israel convinced Trump to stop honouring it so Iran rightly did the same. It’s a problem they created in order to have an excuse to attack Iran.
I wouldn’t believe anything Israel is saying about this.
Israel is full of shit, Netanyahu has been saying Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb for literally 30 years.
That figure is from the IAEA, not Israel. Also it’s actually 60% and I misremembered.
I don’t want anyone to have nuclear weapons but I can see why it’s in Iran’s best interest to acquire them.
United States and Israel are literally arguing that by assassinating scientists and Iranian leaders, that Iran will be more likely to come to the negotiating table.
Maybe that’s why Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th, so Israel would be more likely to negotiate?
Yeah I’m not defending israels illegal actions, just sayings it’s at least based on something real unlike the fake wmds
Israel is the one who gave us the false intelligence about Iraq having wmds. I imagine this is a repeat of that. But we do know that Iran uses uranium for electricity.
60% enriched is way more than you need to generate electricity.
So? Is it really that bad if Iran has nukes? It’s not like they’d be the only one’s in the region with them. Obviously it would be better if nobody had them, but in a MAD world, it’s just deterrence.
And WMDs were my generation’s Gulf of Tonkin incident, and another generation’s USS Maine.
There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome’s allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest—why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome’s duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs. They were enemies who only waited to fall on the Roman people.
- Joseph Schumpeter
My first thought before checking other people’s takes in the Internet is that we (USA) were just acting like it took us by surprise, but it was actually planned because we want to crush the Muslim state, and this is the best opportunity we’ve seen to move forward with that. We immediately defended Israel against Iran’s retaliatory barrage.
I admittedly know shit about foreign policy but just assume we do things that any racist christian nationalists might do, and that’s one. I’m not supporting Iran here; just trying to make sense of it. Religion poisons everything.
Nothing new, the MSM has always been the propaganda mouthpiece for the gov’t and the war machine. Look for independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
But they don’t hand out branded tote bags that I can take to brunch to let the gals know I donated…
Also they are so negative all the time!
Democracy Now!, TYT, Breaking Points, etc… you’ll get some differing opinions at times, but way more truth than MSM.
Idk about tyt anymore
They’ll be really upset when they realize young people wont sign up to fight another oil war for a country that is actively enslaving them.
They don’t need to. They already have the largest volunteer army in the world that is compelled to fight else risk losing economic incentives and/or job opportunities back home. Not to mention all the nutjobs that will willingly go abroad to kill “for their country”
The youth won’t save us. There’s millions of people who grew up in conservative households believing that killing brown people is the (only) American Way.
And even so, lots of guys from the sticks who wound up in Iraq and Afghanistan signed up to the military in order to get a free ride, not because they had any particular ideological motivation other than having no opportunity in wherever it was they came from.
They got a free ride, alright. Straight out into the goddamned desert.
Valid point, my intention was to highlight that the younger generation is generally more self-focused and has better access to the information (if they seek it). Be that a good or bad thing, with enlistment numbers dwindling, I presume it has more to do with better access to information and self preservation dwarfing the maga need to eliminate ‘non-whites’.
Young people are not automatically good just because they are young. There are murderous fascist young people as well.
Oh, you mean how Israel was created in the first place? That’s odd.
There really doesn’t need to be some magic spooky conspiracy here. This is so tiring. Iran is literally at war with the west and making a nuke. No matter what you think of this there’s no need for a catchy name conspiracy here to explain anything.
Consent manufacturing is long-established fact, not magic spooky conspiracies. It’s taught at universities worldwide.
Michael Parenti, 1996, Dirty Truths: Reflections on Politics, Media, Ideology, Conspiracy, Ethnic Life and Class Power
Almost as an article of faith, some individuals believe that conspiracies are either kooky fantasies or unimportant aberrations. To be sure, wacko conspiracy theories do exist. There are people who believe that the United States has been invaded by a secret United Nations army equipped with black helicopters, or that the country is secretly controlled by Jews or gays or feminists or black nationalists or communists or extraterrestrial aliens. But it does not logically follow that all conspiracies are imaginary.
Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon’s downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as “a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery,” the greatest financial crime in history.
Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved. In 1994, the officers of the Federal Reserve announced they would pursue monetary policies designed to maintain a high level of unemployment in order to safeguard against “overheating” the economy. Like any creditor class, they preferred a deflationary course. When an acquaintance of mine mentioned this to friends, he was greeted skeptically, “Do you think the Fed bankers are deliberately trying to keep people unemployed?” In fact, not only did he think it, it was announced on the financial pages of the press. Still, his friends assumed he was imagining a conspiracy because he ascribed self-interested collusion to powerful people.
At a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I remarked to a participant that U.S. leaders were pushing hard for the reinstatement of capitalism in the former communist countries. He said, “Do you really think they carry it to that level of conscious intent?” I pointed out it was not a conjecture on my part. They have repeatedly announced their commitment to seeing that “free-market reforms” are introduced in Eastern Europe. Their economic aid is channeled almost exclusively into the private sector. The same policy holds for the monies intended for other countries. Thus, as of the end of 1995, “more than $4.5 million U.S. aid to Haiti has been put on hold because the Aristide government has failed to make progress on a program to privatize state-owned companies” (New York Times 11/25/95).
Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.
Say you support colonial apartheid and genocide without saying you support colonial apartheid and genocide.
Do you not know about the WMD thing with Iraq?
They love Israel so probably don’t care about any facts
Someone below the age of 30 might not even be aware of it.
That too
what’s the excuse they’re going with?
Iran was “days away” from getting a nuke.
I’m in my 30s and there’s literally video of Netanyahu saying Iran is “months away” from developing nuclear weapons from before I was born lmao
They have been days away for over 30 years according to Netanyahu.
even if that were true, the principle of M.A.D. suggests that for maximal stability, opposing factions should have nukes. Iran not having nukes is too big of an advantage for Israel, even if nobody ever uses them.
Its crazy to see people advocate Iran having nukes. We went full circle into a paradox of tolerance.
It’s crazy seeing people support the terrorist Israeli government.
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Hmm, wonder what happened in the 70s that caused Iran to have so much change? 🤔
Ignoring the parts Israel and USA played in that, does that give Israel the right to preemptively strike other countries???
I’ve been to Pride in Tel Aviv
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I love their arguments is just iran bad, Israel good because they give lip service with allowing pride (but not allowing marriage to gay people)
You can’t reform a genocidal state to stop, but pride can be incorporated into states and made a law and protected with reform
Motherfucker do you know anything about Iran?
What does a county’s current laws have to do with anything? While America was lynching black Americans Iran was the most progressive state in the region, it can reform with support and the previous protests showed that there is want for it
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Yes. No country or group is 100% good. But if one is far better than the other, you support the one that is better.
This is called critical support.
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Yes Iran does not commit genocide.
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I’d say let them fight but they’re going to try to drag other people into it
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Better country than Israel, only one has committed genocide.
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