A friend approached me confidently about realtionship advice and its a tough thing to address. What better place than to ask Lemmy given the broad scope of culture and more genuine reactions here. We figure what can it hurt.
Background:
A couple in my friend group have been together for 3 or 4 years who really seem to love each other looking in from the outside, are having some tension.
The lady doesn’t input the same effort for planning life events, making any sort of weekend plans or after work activities. It’s always the guy picking all the slack up and managing problems. Budgeting and making sure everything is in order. He cooks, does the cleaning, and generally does the relationship thinking as a whole. That is not to say there isn’t some input from his partner, it seems she’s very indecisive from how he describes when making plans or any sort of choices like where to eat or what to do during a problem of any magnitude, almost stress outburst behaviour from her. Defensive type lashing out against him.
He wants to know some advices on how to rebalance the effort scale and to generally improve the dynamic as she seems to be shutting him out according to him. It’s always been imbalanced in effort since the beginning he said but they are good together. They want to make it work but the stress and tension is building to unhealthy levels from what I understand as in he’s ready to break up. They don’t fight really but there’s some definite underlying issues, when he tries to talk about it or anything emotional derived she says things like she doesn’t know, doesn’t know how to explain the way she feels at all and says her mind is sort of blank and that is how he describes most of their deep talks. He described to me that their communication as he’s a very involved communicator and she can go off and be unresponsive or completely not answer questions he asks like they don’t exist.
There’s tension between them she’s snappy more often than not and deals with severe depression/anxiety. Hates her job. Is always in a negative mindset. While he is usually more upbeat and postive not bubbly but hopeful.
I’ve seen him have hard days and be tense and snarky as well who hasnt had a rough day? To me it just isnt like her where she always generally has smart comments towards anything. She’s not what I would say is an uptight removed but almost anything can ruin her mood.
I’m likely missing some points here it’s not my relationship nor am I good at these things but I’m trying so be easy on me here. The only thing I can tell is they genuinely seem to love each other. Sex life is imbalanced he has a high drive and her very low as in can go months then sometimes 1 to 4 times a month. They did get hormone testing but everything appears normal. Worth noting he said she sleeps excessively like after work all through the night most days. They no longer talk as much or text during the day. Where that used to be more common. He did mention she has a male coworker she works with daily that they are fairly close he is unsure of in-fidelity but they meet for work at his apartment every morning apparently it’s easier since they share a work vehicle. I was told that he wanted to quit in a rush a few months ago and they had an argument because he was about to leave and she irrationally seemed to want to quit with him. At the very least their very emotionally tied. It may be nothing he said.
She told him she doesn’t feel any different in the relationship for the way she views them when asked.
But just doesn’t show attention anymore when he gets upset her response will be Boohoo or similar.
Personally I believe she’s burned out and has anxiety on top of horrible depression but I have no real clue how to address that for them. It’s such a personal topic.
Lemmy give them some of your best advices they used to be so full of life and laughter. Thank you all! If I missed anything or any specific questions just ask. We both are excited to see what comes of this.
Edit and UPDATE: They have started to talk again after being silent yesterday all day and have decided to take the week to each write a long and well thought out letter from each of sorts that address how their thinking individually, how they view each other, concerns to address, and ways to meet on level ground to try to form and maintain structure during times of stressful interactions rather than both going in defense and bring more hate into the relationship.
She said she wants to try to speak with her doctor about mental health problems including ADHD, anxiety, depression, and also wants to learn to take time to focus on activities that she derives happiness from or did before the shutdown aspect (art most likely is my understanding but only she knows I suppose) and to spend less time sleeping. They are going to remain talking throughout the week casually it seems and plan to swap letters and have an more formal discussion at the weeks end.
If I hear more, I will update this and keep the help and advice good or bad coming!
It takes two to tango.
The defensive lashing out type stuff happens because he hasn’t established firm boundaries around it. And she’s probably lashing out about stuff because… Well. Doesn’t matter, really.
There need to be firm boundaries about how to have a discussion that apply evenly to both of them. Both of them need to buy into these rules. When the lines are crossed the discussion ends.
This isn’t about shutting down a discussion but having the awareness to recognize constructive versus destructive discussions.
Setting reasonable, adult boundaries and rules, sticking to them, and establishing that certain behaviours are problematic are the only way this gets better.
If she’s unable to recognize her own defensiven ss as a problem and work on it all of this falls apart but having the framework in place will allow transparency into the why of it.
I totally agree with this overall statement. He’s very sharp and focused she’s very flowing sort of lazier, don’t care as much.
Fundamentally there’s differences but part of what I see or understand from him talking it out with me was that rather than having this type of structure that’s needed it’s almost as if she is defensive so he’s defensive and then it sort of kept going like this for a long long time and thus has escalated into deeper rifting issues. Structure is what’s needed
I’m going to show him this and some other replies and I really think this post was constructive and helpful. Due to the cultural and social dynamics of Lemmy some points have been brought up that we never considered. As enshittified as the internet/world has become and the fediverse isn’t perfect there’s some real genuine reactions like the old forum days.
No one teaches you how to have a relationship. So people just kind of default into patterns that are often toxic.
It’s why taking a step back and being deliberate about how to communicate is so important. There needs to be a shared understanding and deliberateness about how to intentionally communicate.
And it needs to be something that applies equally to everyone involved. No copouts, no special circumstances that only go one way, there need to be firm, hard rules with specific consequences that apply evenly to all involved that are arrived at communally, and not unilaterally.
I agree especially on the last couple paragraphs. She has a tendency to not stick with things and has very low self discipline, accountability, and general drive to do anything. Maybe even esteem issues.
But I’m just hoping that what their trying to convey and share in a safe setting will change the course atleast to a more healthy dynamic because they both seem honestly beyond burned out. I see this as make or break them. Beyond that if she gets to a doctor and they can try to treat her mental health depression and anxiety I think that will play a big factor.
Thanks for taking the time to reply and add your perspective. This is why we decided to make the post and just see how people with different values and backgrounds might have different input.
No problem.
I’ll add one other thing: Others have mentioned couples therapy. This is a great idea. Even if the relationship is already over, worst case scenario is they both gain some insight into their own toxic behavioural patterns to make their next relationship better.