• DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    Sorry, but there’s always going to be a power structure.

    Tribal people shunned those who didn’t fit in and forced them out.

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      The trick is to build a system with good checks and balances and an informed populace willing to uphold those rules.

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        I don’t know who said it, but it goes something like this.

        “Every time you build a fool proof system, the fools get more creative.”

        You can’t force people to be ‘well informed’ or even aware of their own interests.

        There was plenty of evidence that Donald Trump was a complete idiot and a scoundrel available in 2015. a decade later and there are still tens of millions of people who will tell you he’s a genius and a moral exemplar.

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          That’s why independent news media is so important. And not just independent from state interference, but also financially. Consolidation into a few big players is really counterproductive.

          And lately there is the whole social media debacle that needs a solution, even more so with fakes and invented “news” becoming more and more easier. That’s an unsolved problem that needs a solution.

          However an informed population really is the only way to keep a system from going downhill, everything else basically bets on some benevolent ruling class or dictator and history has plenty of examples how that goes.

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            Look up Roger Ailes, Ronald Reagan, and the death of the Fairness Doctrine.

            Back in the day, if a commentator on a TV or radio station expressed an opinion, the station was obligated to allow any member of the public to present an opposing view. That meant that most stations avoided wild rhetoric.

            Reagan got rid of that. He did a lot of other things to make the media worse. Before Reagan, half hour commercials like “GI Joe” or “The Transformers” weren’t allowed.

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      Ackshyually, humans have experimented with various forms of social organization for most of prehistory and history. The current system of states with rigid laws and extreme enforcement is very recent. People used to transition between different hierarchies and systems, even seasonally. Not to mention many peoples would self-organize. In some Northest-American tribes, it was common sport to make fun of leaders and not take them too seriously. Some Sumerian city states had massive assemblies instead of high councils.

      I HIGHLY recommend “The Dawn of Everything” by David Graeber to EVERYBODY.

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      Which “tribal people?” When? There are tribal people all over the world. They don’t all share the same “power structure.”

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        Let’s just turn it around.

        Why don’t you show me a society with absolutely no rules of conduct? Where everyone does exactly what they want, all the time?

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          Let’s just turn it around.

          Why don’t you show me where anyone is claiming such a thing? You conflated practices of “shunning” with the customs of all “tribal people.” There are variants of exile and rehabilitation that run through a spectrum of possible options to all people who are self governing. Who exactly are you arguing with?

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            Thanks for proving me right.

            I only bothered with one sentence, but you took the time to point out that all self governing people practice some form of social control.

            Thanks again.

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          having rules =/= rigid, all-encompassing, near unbreakable power structures.

          You and your housemates can make rules. You cant throw each other in prison. Big difference