Go find the Wikipedia article about companies that participated in the Holocaust and then sit and think about what companies are doing today just to make a little more money. It’s the same shit through and through.
I don’t need to find the Wikipedia article, I paid attention in school.
The companies participating in the current right-wing takeover are supporting fascists. The fascists are in power doing fascist things. None of these people are Nazis. If someone is serious about understanding what is happening in the US and how they can work to end it then they should, at the very least, understand the basic terminology of the topic.
Making provocative statements with simple minded black and white statements like ‘If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi’ is ignorant, even if it gets upvoted. It’s spreading ignorance instead of knowledge, it is literally misinformation.
If you are arguing over the meaning of a word, then you’re missing the whole point. I’ve seen this whole argument play out 1000 times in the last several years, it goes nowhere.
Meaning and definition are objective conditions, but not in the way we are taught to think. Rather than “websters dictionary defines Nazi as…” you gotta understand that definitions and meaning are decided by power.
In these spaces, there is muddle headedness about many political topics, no doubt this is one. I’ve studied really good arguments about why its important to be accurate in our assessment of fascists, one of the best ones being that when a movement is misidentified as being fascist it creates confusion among regular people which aids fascists taking power. I think some of those effects/consequences are present in our society.
But are you fighting the right battle here? With these people?
I think your arguments are unconvincing and coming from a place of frustration. If you want to prove your point you have to actually prove it. And to do that you have to do more than say like “I paid attention in school.” In case you haven’t noticed, schools aren’t doing too great, and don’t exactly teach the unvarnished truth. It is a very politicized curriculum in a depoliticized environment where you start each day pledging allegiance to the same flag Trump admin fascists earnestly and tearfully wrap around their $5000 sharkskin shoulders
Inaccuracy in political ideas creates confusion which fascists can use to seize power. What is needed is radical liberating education, not rhetoric. We don’t beat the oppressor by becoming like him.
Definitely a time and place for rhetoric, polemics, bending the stick. But its not across the board more important, its a tactic not a strategy
A person who was actually educated on the topic would call them fascists, not Nazis. Unless you think they’re literally the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the 1930s then they’re not Nazis.
Calling fascists Nazis is a meme spread by the ignorant who’s only education is social media. Don’t confuse upvotes with being correct, the Internet is full of ignorant people and literal children.
If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi. It’s that simple.
The world is more complicated than memes would have you believe
Go find the Wikipedia article about companies that participated in the Holocaust and then sit and think about what companies are doing today just to make a little more money. It’s the same shit through and through.
I don’t need to find the Wikipedia article, I paid attention in school.
The companies participating in the current right-wing takeover are supporting fascists. The fascists are in power doing fascist things. None of these people are Nazis. If someone is serious about understanding what is happening in the US and how they can work to end it then they should, at the very least, understand the basic terminology of the topic.
Making provocative statements with simple minded black and white statements like ‘If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi’ is ignorant, even if it gets upvoted. It’s spreading ignorance instead of knowledge, it is literally misinformation.
They’re fascists.
If you are arguing over the meaning of a word, then you’re missing the whole point. I’ve seen this whole argument play out 1000 times in the last several years, it goes nowhere.
Meaning and definition are objective conditions, but not in the way we are taught to think. Rather than “websters dictionary defines Nazi as…” you gotta understand that definitions and meaning are decided by power.
In these spaces, there is muddle headedness about many political topics, no doubt this is one. I’ve studied really good arguments about why its important to be accurate in our assessment of fascists, one of the best ones being that when a movement is misidentified as being fascist it creates confusion among regular people which aids fascists taking power. I think some of those effects/consequences are present in our society.
But are you fighting the right battle here? With these people?
I think your arguments are unconvincing and coming from a place of frustration. If you want to prove your point you have to actually prove it. And to do that you have to do more than say like “I paid attention in school.” In case you haven’t noticed, schools aren’t doing too great, and don’t exactly teach the unvarnished truth. It is a very politicized curriculum in a depoliticized environment where you start each day pledging allegiance to the same flag Trump admin fascists earnestly and tearfully wrap around their $5000 sharkskin shoulders
Effective rhetoric is more important than accuracy
Inaccuracy in political ideas creates confusion which fascists can use to seize power. What is needed is radical liberating education, not rhetoric. We don’t beat the oppressor by becoming like him.
Definitely a time and place for rhetoric, polemics, bending the stick. But its not across the board more important, its a tactic not a strategy
Not in this. Support of Nazis is approval of Nazism, making you a Nazi.
A person who was actually educated on the topic would call them fascists, not Nazis. Unless you think they’re literally the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the 1930s then they’re not Nazis.
Calling fascists Nazis is a meme spread by the ignorant who’s only education is social media. Don’t confuse upvotes with being correct, the Internet is full of ignorant people and literal children.
“Everyone I disagree with is an ignorant child” huh?
calling them nazi’s is not ignorance of what a nazi was.
it’s invoking direct comparison between someone and the explicit actions of the nazis among other fascist.
it’s sorta like claiming none can be called a dickhead because no one has a dick for a head
to argue agisnst the capability of comparison is to defend one of the two parties, so which nazi are you defending here?