• PugJesus@piefed.social
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    10 hours ago

    I want to consider those opposed to Republicans as on the same side.

    Are they opposed to Republicans if they’re willing to let Republicans win to teach ‘the libs’ a lesson?

    Generally I would regard that as ‘not opposed’.

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      are the democrats opposed to republicans if they are willing to give away their base to teach the progressives a lesson? “vote blue no matter who, even against your interest.”

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        “don’t vote blue no matter who, even against your interest, to teach the progressives Democrats a lesson.”

        That was what they said! Like - literally. Verbatim.

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        Please tell me more about how the 2020-2024 Dem platform was a major ‘give away’ of the Dem base, and not the most progressive platforms the Dems have taken in my entire fucking lifetime.

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          you get to choose one, and only one:

          the progressive voting block don’t deserve a candidate because they are too few to matter.

          or

          the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.

          you can’t have both.

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            the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.

            Wasn’t the question to explain that part?

            I’ll start. The Dem platform did not promise to end capitalism immediately. They specifically planned to continue it.

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            the progressive voting block don’t deserve a candidate because they are too few to matter.

            I am a progressive. We deserve a candidate. So fucking show up to the primaries next time.

            Watching Bernie get a fucking quarter of the vote in 2020 was heartbreaking.

            the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.

            You do realize that the election was lost by under 2%, right?

            Would you like to extend that logic, that any interest group that can sink a candidacy is also entitled to dictate to the party whatever terms it likes, and holds no responsibility for the outcome if the party does not sufficiently compromise with them, in their view?

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              If you want support from people, you have to give them SOMETHING besides just not being the other person. Continuing unyielding support for genocide (but maybe occasional giving them 10 bombs instead of 20) and telling people that human rights are for states to decide is the exact opposite of giving those voters ANYTHING.

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      Notice I said “want to”. The idiots should do one thing, but apparently a lot of them will do the opposite, ignoring what should’ve been a lesson to them.