They have one job - do better than “we’re not hitler”
Since they couldn’t do better than that last time, we got hitler.
What are they going to dangle now? We already got hitler.
They could try campaigning for votes that don’t come from Republicans, or standing on the values they always claim to uphold when they think they need votes from the left.
You folks are all fucked up, and I get it, I did it for literally decades, too. Remember - they are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
Otherwise you end up where we are now.
Edit:
If you mean unconditionally support the DNC no matter how clearly they work against the values they claim to stand for - nah, I got decades of that already.
Remember - they are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
If it was that simple politics would be way easier. But of course it isn’t like that. There’s a whole part of it where we work to build the party we want. Just walking up to the lever where it says “pull here or fascism wins” and then shrugging and walking off does not comprise an entire political system.
Doing this is very literally how we ended up here (unless that vote stealing scam thing turns out to be real).
They have one job - do better than “we’re not hitler”
Sorry that your apparent political attention span is even shorter than a Republican’s? Sorry that you didn’t pay attention to any of Harris’s positions or the Dem party platform?
I guess they weren’t in an entertaining-enough ‘soundbite’ for you to parse.
Otherwise you end up where we are now.
“You end up where we are now because you voted for the filthy shitlibs!”
No, I’m pretty sure we ended up where we are now because the exact fucking opposite happened.
Sorry that your apparent political attention span is even shorter than a Republican’s? Sorry that you didn’t pay attention to any of Harris’s positions or the Dem party platform?
Actions, Sir. That’s all I ask. Not appeasement. And not “Bernie might scare the centrists” or “I have to make sure I talk about my Glock, but never let anyone speak about Palestine at the DNC” or whatever the hell Schumer has been trying to do.
Man I’ve been voting Dem for 40 years. (edit - closer to 35 I guess)
So, what, Clinton ‘92 was first?
So you voted Cinton twice - won (?!)
Gore - lost
Kerry - lost
Obama twice - won (?!)
Hilary - lost (o shit)
Biden - won (yay)
Then you got to Harris and thought, “sure, we’re facing down the barrel of literal fascism, death of several amendments, public executions, and god knows what nightmare of a climate and - doggone it, now’s the time to not vote!”
? Wow. I’d be interested to know why, when it seemed like the stakes couldn’t be higher by any reasonable estimate, you thought now’s the time to stick it to the Dems.
EDIT: I see you did vote Harris, so - it appears I mistook “Dems have to do better” for “I’m not voting / I’m not voting Dem”.
Man I’ve been voting Dem for 40 years. Please go lecture someone else. I’m not in one of your classes.
I’m sorry that you think two sentences, one of which is a mirror of your’s, is a ‘lecture’.
I don’t give a fuck how long you’ve voted Dem, or what the fuck you think that proves. I care that when push comes to shove, people will stand against fascism, and not step aside because “Maybe this time it’ll teach the Dems a lesson 😊”
Sorry for not considering my life and the lives of numerous people I love, not to mention millions of others, a low price to pay to ‘send a message’ to some detached fucking party elites who will totally reform after losing to fascists just one more time.
Sorry that somewhere along the way you lost the plot, and began to consider the lives of minorities a currency you can spend freely as a form of communication with the aristocracy.
Sorry that somewhere along the way you lost the plot, and began to consider the lives of minorities a currency you can spend freely as a form of communication with the aristocracy.
Are you kidding me? Half my objection is that we’re apparently supposed to accept half measures (or no measures) now in the name of appeasement. Remember all that talk of trans rights on the campaign trail? Me neither. Remember all that talk of limiting Israel? Me neither.
Now, one of us is linking examples of his grievances which you are ignoring, and the other is using a lot of confrontational language but offering nothing but anger and personal attacks. I have to admit after seeing you around I expected better.
if you actually believe that, you would be demanding the dnc to reach across their own damn aisle tword the progressives, funny that you always demand the opposite.
It’s possible to tell the DNC to reach across the aisle, while acknowledging that they’re still the better of the two current options even if they don’t.
We have a phrase for when enforcing your demands hurts you the most: cutting off your nose to spite your face. Letting the actual fascists win hurts us more than the people you’re trying to strong-arm.
Actually that is what I demand they do, but at that part where I finish my big speech with, “. . . right, everybody??” And turn around, you people are not there. And then they direct me to the centrists who did show up and I have to do it again.
Not this one…
Apparently, yes this one.
They have one job - do better than “we’re not hitler”
Since they couldn’t do better than that last time, we got hitler.
What are they going to dangle now? We already got hitler.
They could try campaigning for votes that don’t come from Republicans, or standing on the values they always claim to uphold when they think they need votes from the left.
You folks are all fucked up, and I get it, I did it for literally decades, too. Remember - they are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
Otherwise you end up where we are now.
Edit:
If it was that simple politics would be way easier. But of course it isn’t like that. There’s a whole part of it where we work to build the party we want. Just walking up to the lever where it says “pull here or fascism wins” and then shrugging and walking off does not comprise an entire political system.
Doing this is very literally how we ended up here (unless that vote stealing scam thing turns out to be real).
Sorry that your apparent political attention span is even shorter than a Republican’s? Sorry that you didn’t pay attention to any of Harris’s positions or the Dem party platform?
I guess they weren’t in an entertaining-enough ‘soundbite’ for you to parse.
“You end up where we are now because you voted for the filthy shitlibs!”
No, I’m pretty sure we ended up where we are now because the exact fucking opposite happened.
Actions, Sir. That’s all I ask. Not appeasement. And not “Bernie might scare the centrists” or “I have to make sure I talk about my Glock, but never let anyone speak about Palestine at the DNC” or whatever the hell Schumer has been trying to do.
How about Pelosi working hard to keep progressives out of power over and over and over? Most recently that comes to mind…
The atlantic had Kamala pegged in 2019 for that matter. But I still voted for her twice, Sir.
Then there’s the ongoing saga of Mamdani.
This is my super-radical-super-extreme position:
They are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
If you feel they have earned yours. Great!
If you feel you can dictate when they have earned mine? Slightly different response.
Here’s my super-radical-super-extreme position:
Letting fascists into power is unconscionable
Sorry that you think that fascism is something that can be allowed if it teaches the ‘do-nothing libs’ a sufficient lesson.
Man I’ve been voting Dem for 40 years. (edit - closer to 35 I guess) Please go lecture someone else. I’m not in one of your classes.
PS: We already got the fascism! New bogeyman needed!
So, what, Clinton ‘92 was first?
So you voted Cinton twice - won (?!)
Gore - lost
Kerry - lost
Obama twice - won (?!)
Hilary - lost (o shit)
Biden - won (yay)
Then you got to Harris and thought, “sure, we’re facing down the barrel of literal fascism, death of several amendments, public executions, and god knows what nightmare of a climate and - doggone it, now’s the time to not vote!”
? Wow. I’d be interested to know why, when it seemed like the stakes couldn’t be higher by any reasonable estimate, you thought now’s the time to stick it to the Dems.
EDIT: I see you did vote Harris, so - it appears I mistook “Dems have to do better” for “I’m not voting / I’m not voting Dem”.
Withdrawn.
I’m sorry that you think two sentences, one of which is a mirror of your’s, is a ‘lecture’.
I don’t give a fuck how long you’ve voted Dem, or what the fuck you think that proves. I care that when push comes to shove, people will stand against fascism, and not step aside because “Maybe this time it’ll teach the Dems a lesson 😊”
Sorry for not considering my life and the lives of numerous people I love, not to mention millions of others, a low price to pay to ‘send a message’ to some detached fucking party elites who will totally reform after losing to fascists just one more time.
Sorry that somewhere along the way you lost the plot, and began to consider the lives of minorities a currency you can spend freely as a form of communication with the aristocracy.
Are you kidding me? Half my objection is that we’re apparently supposed to accept half measures (or no measures) now in the name of appeasement. Remember all that talk of trans rights on the campaign trail? Me neither. Remember all that talk of limiting Israel? Me neither.
Now, one of us is linking examples of his grievances which you are ignoring, and the other is using a lot of confrontational language but offering nothing but anger and personal attacks. I have to admit after seeing you around I expected better.
if you actually believe that, you would be demanding the dnc to reach across their own damn aisle tword the progressives, funny that you always demand the opposite.
It’s possible to tell the DNC to reach across the aisle, while acknowledging that they’re still the better of the two current options even if they don’t.
We have a phrase for when enforcing your demands hurts you the most: cutting off your nose to spite your face. Letting the actual fascists win hurts us more than the people you’re trying to strong-arm.
Actually that is what I demand they do, but at that part where I finish my big speech with, “. . . right, everybody??” And turn around, you people are not there. And then they direct me to the centrists who did show up and I have to do it again.
Right, that’s why I’m an inveterate opponent of Mamdani and a staunch supporter of Pelosi. You caught me.